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Designer items authentication process

 

Can you please help me to understand how I am supposed to actually list an authentic designer item on eBay if their policy is set up to prevent it from actually being able to sell.

 

Sold an Authentic Louis Vuitton bucket handbag that had been customized.  Both the buyer and myself received an email from the authentication center stating-“The item was customized, therefore, it is no longer eligible for an Authenticity Guarantee.”

 

Just to be clear,

1-The handbag was originally made by Louis Vuitton, and it appears that is not being disputed by the authenticator, nor was it EVER disputed by the person who purchased it. As a matter of fact, the buyer emailed me so many times explaining her in-depth knowledge of Louis Vuitton handbags, at one point stating that she was, and I quote, “literally a Louis Vuitton expert!” So there was zero question on her part whether or not the handbag was an authentic Louis Vuitton.

 

2-My listing clearly stated in BOTH, the title of the listing and in the body of the description, that it was an “ authentic Louis Vuitton handbag that had been customized, repurposed, up-cycled, and recycled.”  All of that was stated in my listing.

 

I just feel like some amount of common sense needs to be exercised in this process. If you could see my communications with the buyer, she received the disclaimer that it “could not be authenticated”, she immediately emailed me that given you could not authenticate the handbag, she now felt as though she had “terribly overpaid for a product that was no longer worth it because it can not be authenticated.” She basically wanted to use the email as a bargaining chip for me to drop my price even more.  This is after the woman tortured me for five days straight haggling the price, at one point asking me to take an additional $10 less.  Ultimately, I know that everything happens for a reason. Had this woman actually purchased this handbag from me, there’s no doubt she would have reached out to you in a week or two complaining of an issue. That would’ve been 1,000,000% AFTER she wore my handbag out in public multiple times for her friends to see her with it.  Ultimately, because of your return policy, I’d be receiving the bag back and she the money she paid for it. Only to do the same thing to another seller.

 

To be clear, the buyer has 340 transactions. That is compared to my 1513 transactions, 716 sold items, with 100% perfect feedback. I believe there needs to be consideration given to items that are of the nature as my handbag listing. An item that is clearly authentic but has been altered or customized and the listing clearly states that, it deserves a more clear and separate explanation . It being authentic but not “being eligible for an authenticity guarantee” is not the same thing as stating that it is “an authentic item that has been customized.”The current wording I believe places doubt in the minds of buyers that’s just not necessary. Just state more clearly that in its original state or production, it is authentic but has since been customized. When the emphasis is on the fact that it can’t have a guarantee, and not on the reasoning as to why, item such as mine may never get sold.

 

Lastly, I believe they’re also needs to be a change in the return policy when it comes to designer items. In a world where everything is about a photograph and online likes, I know firsthand that people purchase items, take and post their photos, then return them. It’s an eBay problem, not just a big box, online, retail fashion problem. Unlike the large retailers who can afford to eat the profits from returned items, people selling on eBay mostly can’t. There seems to be no reason why designer items cannot have a 48 hour return policy. If you’ve purchased designer items such as a handbag, shoes or a coat, I would think you know immediately if it works for you or fits. It does not take 29 days to make these decisions. I wish eBay was geared more towards taking care of their customers who are balancing selling and buying items rather than just those who are buying. Too many of those who are just purchasing are taking advantage of the current return policy.

 

All super  frustrating.

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@wlhtlh 

Sorry for your frustration.  Unfortunately many of eBays authentication process features have been somewhat flawed & had some problems.  My guess is the people that authenticate know very little if anything about designer items.  These are not trained authenticators.  They are random people who probably make a little more than minimum wage and are given a list of things to look for where real and fake are concerned.  Fakes are made so well these days they even stump the most knowledgeable authenticator.  It happens in the jewelry department as well the the sneakers.  Are they real? Are they fake? If eBay spent some money on these services my guess is there would be a lot less of these glitches.  Sort of like customer service (eye roll)

 

Honestly in this day and age, I would never sell anything of value on this or any other internet site.  These are different days as a seller.  The thieves run wild and we all have to wonder when this will cease.

 

I can only say to you again, I understand what you're stating.  Perhaps sell the bag locally for cash.  I'm sure you're educated about your item.  Sadly others are not.

Hang in there.

 

Have a great evening

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The problem was, it was customized, so it's not original.

Have a great day.
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Thank you for your insight and I agree with you. It is frustrating that the company is run this way. It been a complete waist of my time for almost a week now.

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@kensgiftshop wrote:

The problem was, it was customized, so it's not original.


This right here - these authenticators have a narrow remit, and upcycling lies outside of that remit. It cannot be authorized per LV because LV didn't make those changes and that's pretty much where they end.

 

ETA: I have a designer hat which was customized by a very good milliner, but it isn't original. If there was a hat authentication program here, they would not authenticate it.

 

I meant to add, given that the bucket bag itself is authentic, you might try another more speciality venue for sales. eBay has almost two billion listings, millions of buyers and sellers world wide, and it's impossible for them to adjudicate this kind of thing without huge overhead (and guess who pays for that) - they're just not going to expend the resources to make various exceptions, customized rules, etc. when they have everything from beanie babies to commercial printing presses here.


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Thank you and I will explore other options. 

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@wlhtlh 

I gotta say that is the coolest looking "Lewy" I've ever seen! Never was a fan of LV but yours is the best!

     Sorry this transaction went south for you, no alterations on original designer bags are allowed (even if it's an improvement!)

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If your listing was correct then wouldn't you have had customized item specific = Yes then you would have shipped direct to buyer ?

 

I would suspect that if it's left blank it would be considered not customized.

 

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If you select “yes” to the “customization” attributes when you are creating your listing then it won’t be in need of authentication. It won’t get authenticated and will go directly to the buyer. LV had a series of customized bags that eBay authentication would reject even though the manufacturer authorized the customization. 

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customized, repurposed, up-cycled, and recycled

 

How can anyone authenticate anything which is no longer in the form it left the factory in?

 

It may once have been an LV bag, but whether it is now is arguable.

 

And what it is worth is in the eye of the parties to the transaction, and probably no one else.

 

Given the opportunity  that the failure to authenticate provides, I would expect a case of buyer's regret - which you have.

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I don't see the issue with the center declining authentication on a modified item, if anything this falls on the seller for not reading policy. Personally I would never use the authenticators for anything and I don't care if it is authentic or not because there is just too much a chance for something to go wrong. I would just list it and sell it, ship straight to buyer and done.

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If your items qualified for the authenticity guarantee, you wouldn’t have the option of bypassing the program, you would have to send your item there.

 

I’m not certain but I think that in the op’s situation, their bag would have gone directly to the buyer IF they had noted in item specifics that the bag had been modified as it wouldn’t have qualified for AG.

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Yes, I think you're right that the "Customized" field would have taken the item out of the authentication process. I've never had reason to use that field, but now realize how it can be used.

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Oh I don’t know. Honestly, this is the first item I’ve sold of this nature. I’ll definitely look into that. Ty!!

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Thank you all so much!! I did not know about the customization option either. I filed a dispute regarding the declined authentication. Once they’ve reached back out to me, I plan to relist the bag and will select the customized option. 
Hope for the best! 

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