Dead Beat Bidders

[2*baron]

When will Ebay start suspending the privliges of non paying bidders? They make sure to out bid everyone and then disapear.  On Proxibid if you bid and do not follow up you are baned for life. We need the same thing here.

[posting*master]

On eBay , sellers have the option to automatically block bidders/buyers who have gotten two or more nonpayment strikes in the past year.  Some sellers have all their items set to "Immediate payment required" and they don't care about a buyer's nonpayment history.

[a_c_green]

You can file an Unpaid Item dispute after 48 hours from End of Auction. Assuming that the deadbeat doesn't pay within the 96 hours (four full days) after you open the UPI, you can then close it, which will recover your Final Value Fees and give the deadbeat an Unpaid slap on his record. Two or more of those Unpaid slaps and he will be automatically barred from a large portion of auctions and non-IPR BuyItNows in the future (depending on where individual sellers choose to set their Buyer Requirement limits). So yes, they can get suspended that way.

Also remember to put the deadbeat on your Blocked Bidder List (here) to avoid future difficulties.

[fern*wood]

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@2*baron wrote:

When will Ebay start suspending the privliges of non paying bidders? They make sure to out bid everyone and then disapear.  On Proxibid if you bid and do not follow up you are baned for life. We need the same thing here.

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Did you file the unpaid item case before doing this?

NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, Beware Dead Beat Bidder, Bids Don't Pay or Email. AVOID

That doesn't help anything and is also a policy violation.  I have my blocks set, but they only work if sellers file and close the proper cases.  Also, that's the only way to get ebay to even know a buyer hasn't paid.

[the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth]

You have enough feedback to know better. With a blue star your buyer has under 100 feedback. Who is the most wrong in this situation?

Two Ebayers break the rules. Which is worse?

[brad62853]

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smick55 wrote:

Did you file the unpaid item case before doing this?

NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, Beware Dead Beat Bidder, Bids Don't Pay or Email. AVOID

That doesn't help anything and is also a policy violation.  I have my blocks set, but they only work if sellers file and close the proper cases.  Also, that's the only way to get ebay to even know a buyer hasn't paid.

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According to Toolhaus the OP has quite a history of leaving negative FB for buyers before eBay stopped allowing it. Could be they're one of the reasons for that change. At any rate it certainly doesn't make for an appealing characteristic to buyers when they look at the OP's remarks.

I'm not advocating on behalf of non-paying bidders by any means. But the fact is there's nothing you can do about it other than file the UID's and report the buyers and hope that eBay records the unpaid item strikes accordingly.

[doubledz-a2z]

They will never be banned since ebay gets a cut from every bid.  They have put in place a policy if someone does not pay so you can recover your FVF .  Alot of sellers will not file UID since they are afraid of bad feedback but it is the only way an habitual non paying bidder can no longer be a registered user.   Free auction promos sound good at the onset but there is a flurry of non paying bidders when they see the item they just bought ending for less and jump on that one.

[2*baron]

I know about filing a unpaid iten claim, and blocking bidder.

 if you block them they can just get a new account.

There is just no reason for not at least answering an email.

what about the waiting and hassle this causes. If someone's word is no good they sould not be allowed to bid.

And what good is feedback if only half of the people are able to use it? 

[the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth]

I kind of agree. When sellers could leave negatives it was much easier to see who the bad and angry sellers are. Who left screaming swear words, capitals and/or excessive exclamation marks. Now we can only tell those things if the seller is a rule breaker.

[jb_52]

Yeah it is a real hassle.  I just got a non paying bidder so I have to wait a a few days for the UPI case to close now.  I have my account set up for people are not allowed to bid if they have 2 UPI  in the past whatever it is.  I also have it set up so I think if a buyer has 2 negative feedbacks within a certain time they can't bid.  I have it set up so a UPI cases auto  opens after 2 days.  And I still got a non paying bidder.  The person who bidded has 16 positive feedbacks in the last 30 days.  So what happened here?  I blocked the bidder from ever bidding on anything of mine again.  I think something more needs to be done.  Just having a mark on their account doesn't seem to discourage non paying bidders. 

[quiltgeek]

I have my account set up for people are not allowed to bid if they have 2 UPI  in the past whatever it is. 

The choices are 1, 6 or 12 months. I suggest 12 months because that gives the seller the greatest chance of finding Strikes.

I also have it set up so I think if a buyer has 2 negative feedbacks within a certain time they can't bid. 

Nope, that block is not about about finding negative feedback in a member's feedback details.

 It's about their overall feedback rating (the number next to the member's ID). If it's lower than 0, in the old days when both sellers and buyers could leave negative feedback, it was a BIG red flag that the member was a problem. Now sellers use the Buyer Requirements to block potential problem members.

I have it set up so a UPI cases auto  opens after 2 days.

That's how to do it! That way, you don't spend time on identifying and acting on slow pay/nonpay bidders. Good for you!

I blocked the bidder from ever bidding on anything of mine again.

Your Blocked Bidder List is your friend. You don't have to give a reason to anyone for putting an ID on your BBL. If the member changes their ID on their account, eBay updates your BBL with the new ID (cool).

And the BBL block is FOREVER. Always put everyone you issue an UPI to on your BBL.

Consider adding members to your BBL that ask for a transaction Cancellation, ask you to cancel a bid, ask odd questions (especially before bidding or BINing), make unreasonable requests (in your opinion) in a transaction.

Just having a mark on their account doesn't seem to discourage non paying bidders. 

That publically invisible Strike is available to the member in their eBay account. If they don't pay and they don't concern themselves with UPI Strikes, that's their problem.

Your job is to automatically block the ones you can, report deadbeat buyers via the UPI dispute and learn to identify potential problem bidders and buyers.

Selling isn't easy. eBay has policies, PayPal does too, and some members are trouble. But when you list and sell great items at great prices to great buyers, it's all worth it.

[superkeycomics]

BEST thing to do is sell fix price Immediate payment required" 

[ewoo6]

I've been buying and selling on EBay for 15 years, I used to sell all my items on auction format, but the last few years it seems Deadbeats are everywhere. I now sell 99% of my items at Fixed Prices, simply due to the fact that for example the last 3 Auction items I've sold, have been relisted due to Deadbeats. Ebay needs to come up with a solution.

[alpha_products_us]

Yes this is a huge problem for me also about a third sometimes more of auctions end in bidders that outbid everyone & then never pay. Or bidders that outbid everyone last second and then ask to cancel the transaction 5 minutes later, like seriously? Sale delays hurt business pretty bad, I need the money to buy more inventory and sell more items, time is money!!!

[alpha_products_us]

UPIs actually take 2 days minimum before you can file them then another 4 day wait to close... so 6 day delay and then another 7 days to auction = 13 days delay in the sale.

Problem is especially problematic for seasonal items, if I'm auctioning a christmas tree let's say 2 weeks before christmas, by the time the item sells it's too late. Or if it's a jacket let's say after it's unpaid 3-5 times, that's a 1-2 months delay, winter turns into spring, the weather's now warm no one wants jackets lol, etc... you get the idea...