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Customer Support covers a scheme?

Hello,

Recently I lost my item listed on eBay and more than 300 USD because of a scheme that was covered by eBay customer support. I would like to stress that my problem is with the eBay Customer Support, not with anyone else.

OK, here is the situation. A buyer opened Item not as described case and suggested to keep the item for partial refund of 80.00 USD. I declined and accepted the return. The buyer said that the registered mail is not reliable and insisted on a courier delivery for almost the half of the proposed partial refund amount. As registered mail was OK when I shipped the item to him and there were no proposals from his side to pay extra for expediate delivery, I consider such a proposal as a leverage to make me agree to refund him 80 dollars. So, I disagreed and sent him USD 7 for registered mail. I sell postal stamps, so the shipped items are not heavy or bulky and the shipping cost is usually USD 5-7. While the buyer demanded USD 35 for shipping.

Then I was contacted by the customer service, whose representative sent me a message threatening to issue the buyer the full refund without my consent and let him to keep the item unless I agree on his conditions. When I described the situation, I received an answer that it does not matter how the item is returned, the most important thing is that it can be tracked. So, I provided a screenshot of the payment of USD 7 both to the customer support and to the buyer. Besides, I provided info that the paid amount is within the tariffs for registered mail in the buyer’s country post.

Several days ago, I received a notice that the case had been closed with a refund to the buyer. That was quite a surprise as all the way I tried to comply with the buyer’s demands except for the demand to pay extra for a courier service. I could not and still cannot understand what I have done wrong: I agreed for the return, I paid for the return registered shipping and provided proof of it. I gave info that the paid amount is within the tariffs of the buyer’s country post. The notice did not explain what I did wrong or wat rules I violated. I appealed the decision, but that was no use either. And again, no explanation at all!

In my messages to the Customer support I mentioned that their can be a problem with the buyer as he wins items at any price and then start bargaining to make the seller agree for a substantial discount. Or make them pay substantial amounts for return shipping. One additional detail: a year ago I blocked this buyer (the name and the place of residence are the same) who tried to do the same thing under another nickname. But any my arguments were not taken into consideration and I ended up without the item, without the money and I paid for the service (return shipment) that I never received. All that due to a decision of the eBay Customer support that did not even made a courtesy to explain me my ‘wrongdoings’.

As a seller I pay annually tens of thousands USD of eBay fees (I have two seller accounts) and think I have the right for a decent service from eBay!

I think the situation has all the features of a scheme. And the eBay customer support covers this scheme making eBay quite uncomfortable place for sellers. As a seller, I feel absolutely unprotected before dishonest buyers.

May be someone had a similar experience before and could help me in my situation.

Is such a decision legal? How come eBay decides that my property is not my property no longer and belongs to someone else? I would think that in legal terms such actions qualify (or may qualify) as a criminal violation – robbery, theft etc.

Is there any other way to appeal such a decision? I occurred in a situation when decision is taken irregardless of my actions or arguments I provided. I don’t even know how should I behave if such a problem happened again? Should I agree for all ridiculous demands of a buyer right away?

Sorry for a long text

I wish you never occur in such a situation!

 

 

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Certainly don't mean to sound unsympathetic..... but was the buyer in the Ukraine?  When you say you sent him $ for registered mail, I assume that was your cost, but would it have covered the cost if he was international? Here in the US buyers can print the return label, once the return is approved......I don't know how it works internationally.......

 

I would suggest you use the ebay for business facebook page to see if an ebay rep can help you there.........READ THE RULES, you don't want to go into everything on the site, but request a private email conversation...........

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We really cannot judge the situation until we know where (a) you are located, (b) where the buyer is located, and (c) exactly what method you used to "sent him USD 7 for registered mail".

 

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You stated the buyer opened an Item Not as Described, what was the issue that the buyer had with the item you sold?

 

Also, and it's somewhat difficult to completely understand what you're saying as your English is a little rough, but understandable since you're in the Ukraine, you said you provided the buyer with return shipping but I believe what you're saying is you did it outside of eBay's system.  Why didn't you provide the buyer the return shipping through eBay's return system?  If you had done that, I suspect this would have been very different for you.  I've dealt with a few returns in the past and if eBay just refunded your buyer, my guess is either it took too long for you to respond or the buyer never got the return label.  I'd also assume you communicated outside of eBay's system as well.  If you processed the return within eBay's system and communicated that way as well, eBay wouldn't have refunded the buyer without tracking showing the return was delivered back to you.  And even then, once the return is delivered to you, you have a few days to actually issue the refund.  So eBay probably reacted because they didn't see any action from you in their system.

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You keep mentioning you sent the buyer 7 USD....was the buyer in the USA? If so, $7 is not nearly enough to cover insured, tracked shipping of a $300 item from USA to Ukraine. 

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The seller is in the Ukraine - you can not generate international return labels through Ebay. The seller has to send the international buyer - in this case - his buyer in the US - return postage through Paypal to buy the return postage. The OP indeed sent the money to the buyer as he showed both the buyer and Ebay. There would be no action in eBay's system other than the messages as Ebay can not issue return labels for international transactions.

 

As someone else suggested OP - use Ebay for Business on Facebook and hopefully Trinton, Kirsten or one of the other representatives can assist you! Good luck!

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@tunicaslot wrote:

The seller is in the Ukraine - you can not generate international return labels through Ebay. The seller has to send the international buyer - in this case - his buyer in the US - return postage through Paypal to buy the return postage. The OP indeed sent the money to the buyer as he showed both the buyer and Ebay. There would be no action in eBay's system other than the messages as Ebay can not issue return labels for international transactions.

 

As someone else suggested OP - use Ebay for Business on Facebook and hopefully Trinton, Kirsten or one of the other representatives can assist you! Good luck!


The problem is that $7usd is no where near enough to send anything with tracking internationally, it's barely enough to send priority mail in the US 

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I understand that but the OP does not use tracking and doesn't want the buyer to either. They can't prove they ever received the item back but they are willing to take the chance.

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@tunicaslot wrote:

I understand that but the OP does not use tracking and doesn't want the buyer to either. They can't prove they ever received the item back but they are willing to take the chance.


It must be shipped back with tracking to protect the buyer. 

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If I remember correctly, Registered mail is not accepted by Ebay as there is no on line tracking available.

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Wow, that was quick.

The buyer is from China, I checked the costs, its a bit lower than $7 for a registered letter that can be tracked

I cannot send labels, it does not work from Ukraine

And pleas, Ukraine, not in the Ukraine

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I am from Ukraine, the buyer is from China, I sent him the money for return shipping by Paypal
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The buyer stated couple of stamps had some creases. 

I sent the $7 by Paypal as requested by customer support. It was said clearly in one of their e-mails on eBay system I had to send the buyer money via Paypal and provide them with a screenshot of the transaction. So I did

All communications went through the eBay system.

I accepted the return. As I cannot buy a label for return shipping from Ukraine, I followed the instruction of the Customer support. But the return never happened. The case was ruled in favor of the buyer.

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The buyer is from China, shipping cost for registered letter and small packages are a bit lower than $7

I provided the data from China Post website as to the Customer support, so to the buyer

 

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Thanks, you're right, I did send the return money by Paypal, as instructed by customer support. 

And thanks for the suggestion to use Facebook. But tell me why I should go through Facebook in order to resolve the issue on eBay? But anyway, thanks for the advice

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