Counterfeit Items Are Being Hunted Down, Why Not Here?

[thenobletuckylife]

Evening Folks,

Saw this article just a short bit ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/06/ice-says-it-seized-43m-worth-counterfeit-items-in-laredo-texas....

What struck me about the article is that it seems that more effort is being placed on intercepting these fraudulent items destined to leave the country yet to date I haven't heard much about them coming in.

THis truly takes a lot off the market but sellers here are still suffering when competeing against this.

I think it's time other places like ebay decide to call these experts in and clean this place up.

Mr C

[everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures]

You are comparing apples and oranges and using articles have that have nothing to do with it and trying to make articles something they are not even about.

[thenobletuckylife]

Evening,

Yes...this makes complete sense...although it is speculative.

The point is there is an article with results.

Every law abiding American should be pleased and even delighted that some resources have been used to deal with is problem.

The fact that several groups had to work together is another testiment to there being a problem.

Smaller and even large sellers deserve an even playing field and it should be their business sense and skill that is what sets them apart...not how decptive they are.

Mr C

[goodluckselling]

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:

article from 2014 and did not mention counterfeits....you added that. But they are giving info to certain chinese manufacturers about what is selling and these certain chinese are making reproductions of some of those items...not exact copies though....which makes them not counterfeits but reproductions...also why they are allowed to be sold.

This was covered back then.

The real counterfeits which come out of many different countries BTW are different...are actual counterfeits..identical copies, brands names are used etc etc

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The sending of info and the making of legal reproductions does still hurt certain sellers but it is a form of competition and it is legal.

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Now what this does do though is it gives some an unfair advantage over others...which is an actual issue that sellers have with it.

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In 2018 any seller can buy from internet wholesale marketplace like Ali, aliexpress,, etc and get products that these same people you are claiming is giving some sellers unfair advantages.

The only advatage is that some sellers are willing to do the hard work (while others are not) to source products and put real revenue out to be able to supply the demand that is being underserved on marketplaces.

Good Luck Selling!

[twnpopcards]

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:

article from 2014 and did not mention counterfeits....you added that. But they are giving info to certain chinese manufacturers about what is selling and these certain chinese are making reproductions of some of those items...not exact copies though....which makes them not counterfeits but reproductions...also why they are allowed to be sold.

This was covered back then.

The real counterfeits which come out of many different countries BTW are different...are actual counterfeits..identical copies, brands names are used etc etc

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Try selling a reproduction if you are a US seller and see how long it stays up for sale and you keep your account.  They also DO send the specs for exact knockoffs as they now consider anything listed on Ebay for sale THEIR PROPERTY and that they own the IP rights.  One of these days they are going to run up against a company bigger and badder than they are and see just how well that UA stands up in court.

BTW - the current CEO STILL considers the Chinese to be EBays future, so that also says a lot about how they operate.

[thenobletuckylife]

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:

You are comparing apples and oranges and using articles have that have nothing to do with it and trying to make articles something they are not even about.

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Evening,

I was simply cheering on the good guys doing what is right and saying that it is a great example of what could be done here and elsewhere to help correct a wrong that has been going on to long.

The article is a success story that others could embrace.

Mr C

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[dhbookds]

How do you know Ebay doesn't do alot on the counterfeiting front?  I'm sure you can imagine that publicity about it would not be in their best interest........as they would scream about fakes on ebay........

[thenobletuckylife]

Evening,

Because everytime I go and look for products I am in the market for I have to wade through the fakes.

Try to find a real Milwaukee M12 battery in the first pile of listings. They are almost a milwaukee...cleverly disquised....but they are not. I do not know this for a fact but considering that Milwaukee is only just been really pushing this new line of tools I doubt there pattent has already run out.

Mr C

[slippinjimmy]

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:

article from 2014 and did not mention counterfeits....you added that. But they are giving info to certain chinese manufacturers about what is selling and these certain chinese are making reproductions of some of those items...not exact copies though....which makes them not counterfeits but reproductions...also why they are allowed to be sold.

This was covered back then.

The real counterfeits which come out of many different countries BTW are different...are actual counterfeits..identical copies, brands names are used etc etc

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The sending of info and the making of legal reproductions does still hurt certain sellers but it is a form of competition and it is legal.

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Now what this does do though is it gives some an unfair advantage over others...which is an actual issue that sellers have with it.

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What unfair advantage? If you are a US based manufacturer or seller you can call up eBay and tell them you have the capacity to make and list products and you would like them to let you know which type of products are currently in demand but lacking from the site.

They will be more than happy to help you by providing what information they have.

Thing is the bulk of mass market consumer goods these days are made in Asia and that's also where the bulk of manufacturers who are RESPONSIVE to market demand are located.

In the US the companies that are looking to expand don't want to deal in cheap consumer goods, they are more like Boeing or Intel, they want to make high value, high technology items that can be sold around the world for high prices. The ones that do want to deal with regular consumer goods will be outsourcing their manufacturing to low cost territories rather than making them here where costs are prohibitive.

[goodluckselling]

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@thenobletuckylife wrote:

Evening,

Yes...this makes complete sense...although it is speculative.

The point is there is an article with results.

Every law abiding American should be pleased and even delighted that some resources have been used to deal with is problem.

The fact that several groups had to work together is another testiment to there being a problem.

Mr C

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I am again amazed that you think different agencies sharing info and working together is a problem?

Good Luck Selling!

[thenobletuckylife]

I am not sure how you are getting your sense of amazement and confusion with what I have written other than feeling you are doing it intentionally.

Mr C

[everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures]

The articles is about how ICE is beneficial etc for for those that are trying to get rid of it.
Again the articles is ONE example of what ICE does....it is not the only thing they do....it is an example of one thing only...and they do not deal with small **bleep**...one seller at a time thing.

[luckythewinner]

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@thenobletuckylife wrote:

The fact that several groups had to work together is another testiment to there being a problem.

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"Industry experts" have no law enforcement power, especially when it comes to criminal operations. So they certainly cannot be effective on their own. 

And while law enforcement does have that power, they often do not have the expertise to quickly and acccurately identify counterfeit items and navigate the complexities of intellectual property and licensing agreements. They also have limited resources.

When it comes to exports, imports and international issues, ICE has jurisdiction, authority, and national security abilities that other law enforcement entities simply do not have. 

These three groups SHOULD be working together. IMHO each brings its own strengths and contributions. 

[twnpopcards]

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
Again these articles are from 2014 and have all been addressed already years ago...and it is not beneficial to sellers to not deal with what the real issue is instead of taking things out of context and adding other things too it.

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Personally I don;t think they were ever really dealt with, but again that is now the CEO of EBAY doing these things and bragging about it.  Ebay is also continuing to attempt to find warehouses for the Chinese so they can store their items over here and speed up their delivery times, negotiating contracts to get their items shipped faster and cheaper to the US just this year and continuing to sign more and more contracts with Chinese manufacturers and cities to help their Chinese sellers.  

How much have they done for the US sellers lately??  The last time I heard about them trying to help us they were behind closed doors with USPS for 3 days and the rates they came out with wound up higher than Stamps.com and Amazon and Ebay refused to lower the shipping rate on the 1-4 oz packages the 6 cents like everybody else until it hit them so hard financially they backed off 2 months later.  Of course there was no discussion of repaying the overcharges to the sellers as that was just more money in Ebays pockets.

i understand they are a publicly traded company with a duty to make as much money as they can for their shareholders, but I also do not agree with the constant double standards that US sellers have to deal with because Ebay gave the farm away to the Chinese in their negotiations trying to get the internal business, but they still lost that to Alibaba and now we continue to pay for that pathetic contract and Ebay continued partnerships with China.  Eventually Wenig will have his way,  but once he does the Chinese will have to raise their prices as their shipping rates are going to be going up at the next United Nations Postage Group meeting as they will no longer have the same 3rd world economy status as Gabon like they do now.  They will get to pay the same $10 that we have to pay to ship something to the China now.  Then we will see how competitive they are with their cheaply made items with no idea what the real ingredients are in them.

[everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures]

ALL rights holders can have counterfeits of their items removed any time they choose....if they want to. It is their call. and there have been many times when there have been take downs because the right holders stepped in to do it.

It is also their job to ID the counterfeits....as they know if it is their item or not.

[thenobletuckylife]

Evening,

I realize it had to do with ICE which was in some way why it was so interesting and that it would make the news.

By the way, Eventually I found the set of true Milwaukee batteries I was looking for that I mentioned above and paid more than double for them rather than taking the cheap way out.

Maybe I am wrong, but it seems from my experience and especially from the boards over the past 3 years or so that most folks have had great difficulty reporting fraudulent goods, although Good Luck says he has seen great results...so then maybe I am just not seeing the great results here due to all the batteries, and other goods, I seem to have to wade through to get to the genuine goods.

Mr C