04-10-2018 07:32 PM
I have been a member since 2001 and have always made sure to never have negative feedback by following the rules and selling as described items. I take pride in it.
I will try to make this concise as possible.
An item I listed sold, and was paid for. I went to print a shipping label though Ebay and it wouldn't allow me because there was a red lettering stating that the address was incorrect or wrong, I don't remember exactly. Not long after I received a message from the buyer with a similar address but the address was combined on one line rather than separated as it was before. I thought maybe the buyer was aware of this issue from a past transaction and is trying to help me out . I edited the address to reflect the change but it still wouldn't let me print the address and that is when I got suspicious so I googled the address and found out they are EBay scammers resellers that ship overseas from Delaware and have had many people duped by that address.
I went ahead and cancelled the order though the EBay system as it gave me a list of reason one of them being that the address is not correct. I also assumed that EBay was aware of this happening to others and made the process easy to cancel orders that don't have legitimate addresses. I was wrong.
The buyer left me with negative feedback and when I called EBay and explained they said it has to stand. I then asked them how can I send send the package when their own system will not allow me to print a shipping label so im assured I have EBay protections as I do not want to go outside of the EBay system to send it.
The kind lady on the phone had no answer and just heard my logical grievances until I was done talking.
I remember when it much harder to get verified to be a EBay member but lately there are so many scam accounts over bidding on my items and becoming deadbeats. After re listing my goods once more I get low ball offers though the messaging system which I believe is an attempt to wear me down and sell low. EBay is allowing this kind of atmosphere by allowing anyone to join and create a terrible experience for legitimate sellers and buyers that just want to do transactions without these pesky scamers ruining otherwise good sales between parties. I wish they would verify an address before you can place a bid on an item and you should not be penalized if the address is not legitimate by their own system.
The reason why people bid more on my items is mainly because I have maintained a blemish free record but now thats ruined by no fault of my own.
02-25-2019 12:38 PM
@no_zero369 wrote:Darn! that was some GREAT advice top to bottom! I hope OP takes it to heart!
Well done!
Thank you, that was kind of you to call that out.
02-25-2019 02:17 PM
@mam98031 wrote:
@myangelandmyprincess wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:I edited the address to reflect the change but it still wouldn't let me print the address and that is when I got suspicious so I googled the address and found out they are EBay scammers resellers that ship overseas from Delaware and have had many people duped by that address.
I'm honestly not sure what all that means. To me it doesn't make sense.
If the address is a bad address, then how could these people be receiving stuff at that address?
What on the internet tells you they are "scamming many people"?
Being a "reseller" does not make someone bad or a scammer!
If you ship to an address, as the seller that is where your responsibility ends. Once the buyer has the item, they are free to do with it whatever they wish. I'm not sure why you feel you have or should have some control over that. They can ship it where ever they want to, why does that matter to you? Heck they can donate if they want, resell it, give it as a gift or ship it around the world, not of which should affect you.
I went ahead and cancelled the order though the EBay system as it gave me a list of reason one of them being that the address is not correct. I also assumed that EBay was aware of this happening to others and made the process easy to cancel orders that don't have legitimate addresses. I was wrong.
Those weren't special reasons just for you. What you saw was the reasons Ebay allows for ALL sellers if they are in need of filing a cancellation. They are not specific to you. Ebay has never done that.
Don't make this a personal transaction. Remove your feelings from the equation. These transactions are Business transactions. You actually did yourself more harm with how you responded to the buyer's FB than the buyer did with the comment they left for you. When a seller finds the need to respond to FB, they should ALWAYS, without exception respond in a polite, professional and factual manner. To do otherwise only makes you look unprofessional in the eyes of other potential customers.
I know you have called Ebay already to have this FB removed, but you really should try again. It is unfortunate, but far too many times it takes multiple calls to get a matter resolved. It is all about the CSR you get and how well trained they are.
When you call, ask for a Feedback Specialist. The first person will still have you explain before transfering you, but just give them a brief overview, that is all they need. The longer details you can share with the actual FB specialist they should be transfering you to.
It is of the utmost importance that when talking with a CSR that you treat them with respect. You want them to WANT to work for you. So don't vent or otherwise annoy them or be rude to them. To do so is only going to cause you to defeat yourself. Be professional and factual. Keep your personal feelings and opinions out of the conversation. They don't matter to anyone but YOU and you are not the one that can fix this problem, so impressing yourself will do you no good.
Make an outline on paper if you need to. Nothing wrong with following a script with the facts listed. If it help you, use notes. I sometimes do this especially in complicated issues or ones that there are some facts I don't want to forget to state. Talk to the CSR about the emails between you and the buyer so that they can review those too.
BTW, it wasn't Ebay's system that didn't like the address. It was Ebay's system that notified you, but it would have been the USPS sytem that didn't like the address which caused Ebay to notify you.
In an effort to help you with your next phone call you may consider discussing with the CSR the following policies a published on Ebay in support of having the FB removed.
Automatically removed
We automatically remove defects, adjust your late shipment rate, and remove feedback when:
- The buyer didn't pay for a purchase and an unpaid item case is recorded against the buyer
- The defect, feedback, or late shipment was the direct result of an eBay site issue or program error
- The delivery estimate shown in the listing was shortened, but tracking shows the item was delivered by the carrier's longest delivery estimate
- We take action against a buyer for violating the Buying practices policy
- We take action to close an eBay Money Back Guarantee case or appeal request in favor of the seller
- We instruct you to hold a shipment or take action to cancel the transaction
- We can determine through valid tracking that the defect, feedback, or late shipment was the direct result of systemic delays in shipping or communication. Examples include wide-scale shipping carrier delays, items stuck in customs, or power outages due to extreme weather. Actual qualifying events are listed on our announcement board
Buyer-requested cancellations
If a buyer has contacted you and asked you to cancel the order, they’ll need to file a cancellation request with you.
Once you receive their request, you’ll have 3 days to approve or decline it. If you approve it and the buyer has already paid for the item, you have 10 days to issue them a refund. If you haven’t refunded them within 10 days, they can file a claim through the eBay Money Back Guarantee.
When a buyer cancels a transaction, they can't leave negative or neutral feedback or low detailed seller ratings for you.
https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/getting-paid/cancelling-transaction?id=4136#section2
Good luck !!
The last one only applies if the buyer sent an official request to cancel It won't apply here. I agree it should be removed but it would be a hard sell under any of the policies
I don't know that to be true. The policy does not say that it only applies to buyers that send the formal cancellation request. Besides a buyer can ONLY do that within the first hour AFTER the purchase. Beyond that, it is emails only. Is this something you have first hand knowledge of? I'm curious, I'm not trying to be rude in any way.
Somehow I didn't see this a year ago The policy about the removal is specifically under the information about the one hour cancelation requests because that's what it applies to just like an unpaid item strike it blocks it from even being left if it was already left it is automatically removed. I mostly know because it was discussed at length with the blues as many misunderstood the policy so there was a thread about it Now if the seller sends a cancellation request with buyer requested and can show in messages the buye requests it they can call to have bad feedback removed but it's not automatic