Can a blocked buyer change/update username and bid for items?

[lavasurfer1110]

Can a blocked buyer change their username, then purchase items from you under their new username?

I recently added someone to my BBL after he pulled a low move to get his order cancelled after a case of buyer's regret. I went to check his ebay world id history and saw he has changed his username 3 times in the course of his account's activity.

Does anyone know if a blocked id (example: ABCD) can change their username to a new one (example: EFGH), then still be able to bid or buy from a seller who has blocked the old username?

It just dawned on me that this might be a loophole for problem buyers to get around the BBL, but I thought to check anyway. 

Comments appreciated, thanks! 

[city*satins]

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@atikovi wrote:

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@city*satins wrote:

Remember what they say about assume.

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But it's part of your username, so...

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And OVI is part of yours but I don't assume you drive when drunk.

[atikovi]

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@city*satins wrote:

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@atikovi wrote:

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@city*satins wrote:

Remember what they say about assume.

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But it's part of your username, so...

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And OVI is part of yours but I don't assume you drive when drunk.

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I don't get it. What is OVI and what does it have to do with drinking?

[jeannicho22]

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@gracieallen01 wrote:

It has been hashed about, and ebay has said, that ebay is not going to do anything about a buyer circumventing a BBL because the buyer may REALLY want something and, if they don't show any signs of causing problems, they can go ahead and bid or buy anyway, without sanction.

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@gracieallen01 

This was originally eBay's attitude as stated by Trinton, however per Trinton this attitude has changed AGAIN.  If you now suspect (yes he said suspect and not have to prove) that a blocked bidder has opened a new account to circumvent your blocked bidder list, you can cancel the sale with out getting a defect.  YUP, they have now decided they are going to follow their own policy as written.... AMAZING

I sincerely wish I had bookmarked the post.

[city*satins]

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@atikovi wrote:

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@city*satins wrote:

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@atikovi wrote:

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@city*satins wrote:

Remember what they say about assume.

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But it's part of your username, so...

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And OVI is part of yours but I don't assume you drive when drunk.

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I don't get it. What is OVI and what does it have to do with drinking?

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OVI is another acronym for DUI

[gracieallen01]

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@jeannicho22 wrote:

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@gracieallen01 wrote:

It has been hashed about, and ebay has said, that ebay is not going to do anything about a buyer circumventing a BBL because the buyer may REALLY want something and, if they don't show any signs of causing problems, they can go ahead and bid or buy anyway, without sanction.

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@gracieallen01 

This was originally eBay's attitude as stated by Trinton, however per Trinton this attitude has changed AGAIN.  If you now suspect (yes he said suspect and not have to prove) that a blocked bidder has opened a new account to circumvent your blocked bidder list, you can cancel the sale with out getting a defect.  YUP, they have now decided they are going to follow their own policy as written.... AMAZING

I sincerely wish I had bookmarked the post.

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@jeannicho22 

The statement about 'maybe the person REALLY wanted it' was posted by Heidi quite some time (last year?) past and Trinton has since weighed in on it a couple of times.  I think the last time he did, there were a number of 'qualifications' that would determine whether or not ebay would do anything, and to what degree - depending on the 'circumstances'.  I mean, what else could he say in an open chat?

Perhaps ebay is going to try to clean things up, and they may well, in their opinion and according to their discretion.  Whether it is enough, we may or may not see - however, I will believe it when I see it.

[jeannicho22]

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@gracieallen01 wrote:

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@jeannicho22 wrote:

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@gracieallen01 wrote:

It has been hashed about, and ebay has said, that ebay is not going to do anything about a buyer circumventing a BBL because the buyer may REALLY want something and, if they don't show any signs of causing problems, they can go ahead and bid or buy anyway, without sanction.

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@gracieallen01 

This was originally eBay's attitude as stated by Trinton, however per Trinton this attitude has changed AGAIN.  If you now suspect (yes he said suspect and not have to prove) that a blocked bidder has opened a new account to circumvent your blocked bidder list, you can cancel the sale with out getting a defect.  YUP, they have now decided they are going to follow their own policy as written.... AMAZING

I sincerely wish I had bookmarked the post.

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@jeannicho22 

The statement about 'maybe the person REALLY wanted it' was posted by Heidi quite some time (last year?) past and Trinton has since weighed in on it a couple of times.  I think the last time he did, there were a number of 'qualifications' that would determine whether or not ebay would do anything, and to what degree - depending on the 'circumstances'.  I mean, what else could he say in an open chat?

Perhaps ebay is going to try to clean things up, and they may well, in their opinion and according to their discretion.  Whether it is enough, we may or may not see - however, I will believe it when I see it.

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I believe I saw a post by Trinton stating the buyer could circumvent the BBL if the buyer really really wanted it... I could be wrong.  I did look for the post by Trinton with the new and improved attitude of following their policy.  It was in response to a side comment I made in an unrelated post.... interestingly enough I couldn't find it no matter how I tried.  I did find where he responded to a post I made that mentioned circumventing the BBL, but interestingly enough there was no mention about the BBL in his answer.... hmmmmmm

I too am taking a "wait and see" attitude that proves eBay will follow its own policies.

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-policies/unwelcome-malicious-buying-policy?id=4375

What are the guidelines?

Not allowed

You can't buy with the intent to disrupt a listing.

Here are some examples:

• You can't place a bid that greatly exceeds the value of the item in order to prevent a sale without intending to buy that item
• You can't bid on multiple items listed by a seller unless you intend to buy all of the items
• You can't try to buy or bid on an item if you're on a seller's blocked bidder or buyer list
• You can't use another account to buy or bid on an item if you're on a seller's blocked bidder or buyer list

The policy clear states a buyer cannot bid or buy if they are on a blocked bidder list and there are no qualifiers.

[gracieallen01]

Can you imaging all the excuses (beginning with the simple and getting 'better') the buyer - or ebay - could make for letting a person bid/buy?

• You can't place a bid that greatly exceeds the value of the item in order to prevent a sale without intending to buy that item

Winning, non-paying bidders being blocked?  (Do they sanction buyers who offer hundreds more for instant shipment to a different addy?)

• You can't bid on multiple items listed by a seller unless you intend to buy all of the items

Again, non-paying bidder being blocked?

• You can't try to buy or bid on an item if you're on a seller's blocked bidder or buyer list

But I really want that and if I don't buy here, I will go somewhere else and ebay won't get anything for it!

• You can't use another account to buy or bid on an item if you're on a seller's blocked bidder or buyer list

My cousin is buying it for their use.

And, the beat goes on.

[jeannicho22]

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@gracieallen01 wrote:

Can you imaging all the excuses (beginning with the simple and getting 'better') the buyer - or ebay - could make for letting a person bid/buy?

• You can't place a bid that greatly exceeds the value of the item in order to prevent a sale without intending to buy that item

Winning, non-paying bidders being blocked?  (Do they sanction buyers who offer hundreds more for instant shipment to a different addy?)

• You can't bid on multiple items listed by a seller unless you intend to buy all of the items

Again, non-paying bidder being blocked?

• You can't try to buy or bid on an item if you're on a seller's blocked bidder or buyer list

But I really want that and if I don't buy here, I will go somewhere else and ebay won't get anything for it!

• You can't use another account to buy or bid on an item if you're on a seller's blocked bidder or buyer list

My cousin is buying it for their use.

And, the beat goes on.

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I suppose so, but then think of all the excuses sellers could make for poor seller matrix.

I was in the hospital and I wasn't able to ship.

My house was flooded so the item was no longer in the condition I listed it in.

I dropped the item while packaging.

My cousin who got suspended as a seller signed into their eBay account on my computer last Christmas.

My ex-wife hijacked my account and listed a bunch of things she never intended to ship just to damage my account

Would eBay take these excuses into account?  NO, I didn't think so.

[gracieallen01]

Well, you see the problems, then - you are dealing with people and people are involved at every step of the way.  Buyers are 'people', sellers are 'people' and ebay is 'people', and every single one - individually and/or collectively -  has their own agenda. 

AND, an agenda can come in any and/or all sizes and shapes - from the worst of bad to the best of good.

But, on the bright side, it can also be the best of bad to the worst of good. 

[johnrj1226]

@gracieallen 

It sounds  like eBay operates like traffic enforcement does in Atlanta, GA.  Those speed limit  signs are  just  mere suggestions even though the DDS manual reads otherwise.  Had to  drive on I-20 inside the I-285 Perimeter.  Posted speed limit - 55MPH.   If you  not driving 80 or +, rain or shine,  you'll get  run over, even by a  single person vehicle or motor cycle (pocket rocket type) in the HOV lane.  Did this round trip 12  times within a recent 3 week period (hospital trip runs), very early in the AM (4:30 ish) & 2:30 PM (before rush hour) - actually 24.  During rush  hour  no problem  stop & go  Not a  traffic cop to be seen - guess those hot donuts & a cup of Joe keeps them  off the streets doing the "suggested" job to "Protect & Serve".

"I'm just a  country boy" like the late Don Williams sang in '77.

[gracieallen01]

  Atlanta, Dallas, Seattle, Los Angeles or St. Louis - I think you just described all of them. 

Out here in the 'bedroom communities', one might find a motorcycle monitoring the HOV once a month or sitting on an on ramp, if you hit it during the right spot at the right 15 minute period, but otherwise, only if they are on their way to someplace will they risk getting caught in traffic, and 80 seems to be the current norm.  I think it is planned that change-of-shift corresponds with rush hours.  (Hope all went well)

[atikovi]

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@itsjustasprain wrote:

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That was my point - yes - although I dont think i did break an Ebay rule with ths workaround. It was a fixed price listing. I pointed my BIL at it and he bought it with his account and left Pos feedback. No evil intent and it wasnt me buying it anyway even though i ended up with it after paying him back for buying it for me. 

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Not too long ago just the mere mentioning of this would have earned you a vacation from these forums. How times have changed.

[femmefan1946]

Changing the username does not avoid the Block.

In theory the Blocked bidder cannot use another account to avoid the Block, but the seller would have to deal with eBay to avoid a Defect in refusing to ship.

I suspect "problem with address" would work, since you can show you have Blocked that address.

Or.

With the dying Auctions format, you have a chance to see your bidders before the auction ends, and can cancel any bids and add that name to your BBL.

Or.

You could use the more popular Fixed Price format, with Immediate Payment Required.

Blocked Bidders (and bidders with Strikes) can purchase these, but must pay or the purchase fails and the listing stays active.

[mr_lincoln]

@femmefan1946   Good post but I think Auctions work well in certain categories as has been our experience.  The way we price them they are no different then a GTC listing, one bid and they cover fees, cost and profit.  There's really no difference between a 7 day auction or a GTC that gets listed and sells on day 7 ...

[madmax69trojan]

Go to your dash and go into you Blocked bids log- you will be able to SEE his blocked bid, with the time- then you will see a bid right after with the new id- took me over a decade to figure this out 100% but you can watch these bidders DO IT! It is SAD that WE SELLERS have to play detective instead of ebay blocking ALL a bidders Id's if we have 1 blocked on our BB list! If it is AGAINST the rules to circumvent- put ALL their ids on my BB list ebay! This is your SOLUTION, everybody elses too. Become an EXPERT at catching these blocked bidders.