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Buyers requesting a return refund when the buyer is not telling the truth

I do not understand why a buyer is rewarded with  return and refund when the buyer lied about the the item as "not as described"  This is a tool being used by buyers to cover their " buyers remorse" when they get caught up in the auction.  Even if the seller is able to prove the buyer is wrong ebay policy allows the liar to get away with it.  Meanwhile the seller is punished with $ held back and trying to resell the item again.

 

History has proven that trying to sell the item the second time always concludes with taking $ from the seller, it never sells for the same amount the second time around.

 

In my opinion when a buyer is PROVEN to have lied to get a refund, the seller should keep the money and the buyer keeps the item that won.

 

This problem will continue with liar buyers taking advantage of sellers until e-bay decides to make exceptions is these situations.

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Buyers can lose their return privledges on eBay. No one here knows exactly how many bad transactions and them being reported by sellers it takes to lose the eBay MBG protections. 

 

We do get a LOT of sellers that come through here claiming false INAD returns and when community members take a look at the sold listing, it turns out the seller was deficient with information in the listing thus causing the return. 

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Anyone who sells long enough feels your pain but ebay cannot determine whether the buyer is telling the truth or if he's remorseful so ebay will always resolve NAD claims in buyers' favor. 

 

Many buyers see "no returns" and assume they need a reason to return their item so they may claim it's NAD. 

 

Prior to having a return policy, I did have a statement in my listings to the effect of accepting returns if the buyer isn't happy with the item. Some buyers still lied in order to avoid paying return shipping and there's nothing we can do to stop a liar. 

 

But since changing my return policy to "30 day returns, buyer pays return shipping," I haven't seen any uptick in returns. And the few remorse returns I've had were with honest buyers. 

 

My conclusion: if a buyer is going to lie, they'll lie whether there's a return policy or not. And as trite as it sounds, it's a cost of doing business. 

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Ebay can determine when the buyer is not telling the truth. When proper documentation is provided. I did this and it does not matter this is a fact.

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So just let them get away with it and there are no Consequences for it. Buyers remorse it not a reason to reward them for making a mistake!

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When has a buyer even lost the ability to bid? I have seen Several repeat non payers continue on without any ramifications. 

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@brook-trouter wrote:

Ebay can determine when the buyer is not telling the truth. When proper documentation is provided. I did this and it does not matter this is a fact.


EBay is not going to look at a seller's documentation.  

Process the return, get your item back and sell it once again. 

 

If the buyer would lose an Item Not As Described return case with eBay, all they have to do is file a dispute with their Credit Card issuer and they will win. At that point you lose the item and the money because the credit card issuer will not require a return.

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@brook-trouter wrote:

I do not understand why a buyer is rewarded with  return and refund when the buyer lied about the the item as "not as described"


Because ebay does not know the buyer is lying.

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@brook-trouter wrote:

When has a buyer even lost the ability to bid? I have seen Several repeat non payers continue on without any ramifications. 


In your block bidders option, you can choose as to when they can or can't bid or buy your items. 

 

They can lose their MBG privledges.  At that point many of those thieves use feedback extortion as their tool of choice to extort sellers and then they can use their Credit Card issuer if their account is still in good standing. They can wear that out as well.

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There have been a few posts over the years of buyers complaining ebay wouldn't let them bid.....beyond that we know nothing....and I doubt many that actually lose that status talk about it.  And we have no idea what caused them to lose the status.  As said, a no return policy requires a buyer to state Not as Described in order to get their money back.  Lots of posts from sellers who get the item back in same condition it was sent.....therefore concluding it was a remorse reason........  But the bottom line is the buyer get the refund and seller gets the item back.....hopefully in the same condition......

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@brook-trouter wrote:

When has a buyer even lost the ability to bid? I have seen Several repeat non payers continue on without any ramifications. 


What do non-payers have to do with lying-returners?  

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Let me share the Good News about Cookie Jar Insurance!

cookie jar insurance.jpg

 

This is just adding a few pennies to every asking price as a sort of self-insurance premium against transactions that go bad.

Although each of these Bad Transactions is painful there are really very very few of them.

How many have you had in the past year? And as a percentage of sales?

If there is a problem you use the virtual pennies in the virtual Cookie Jar to pay for the Return Shipping Label, or cover the difference in profit between the first sale and the second,

or send out the red sweater you sold instead of the blue sweater you shipped by accident.

Because Bad Transactions can start on either side. (See Post #2).

 

While it takes a while to build up, many sellers have reported that the Cookie Jar is actually a profit centre.

 

Not every sale will go perfectly.

Most people are honest.

Claims are disagreements not fights.

It's business, not personal.

 

 

And NO RETURNS does not mean NO REFUNDS.

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Three false positives in six months is not only likely to get you three shiny Defects but:
Who did you think would be reading your Feedback Left for Others?
Not the buyer, they got their refund.

Not eBay, they accept the FB as a positive for the buyer.

Not other sellers. With over 85% of transactions being Fixed Price or Buy It Now, we don't meet our customers until they have purchased.

 

The most likely reader is a future customer who may not want to deal with a seller who misspells "d**chebag", or calls a customer "stupidest in 20 years".

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If you just offer free returns you won't have to spend time being angry about liars.   All other major merchants take returns (usually free) so that is what eBay is up against, competition-wise.  If you want a global customer base, you must go by the global platform's user agreement.  If you want 'all sales final' you could have a yard sale.  Or I think Craigslist is still a thing.    

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@gurlcat wrote:

@brook-trouter wrote:

When has a buyer even lost the ability to bid? I have seen Several repeat non payers continue on without any ramifications. 


What do non-payers have to do with lying-returners?  


Everybody knows that non-payers are also lying returners.   It's a known fact.  😉

M*A*S*H theme - Johnny Mandel
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