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Buyer has nothing to loose in attempting a ripoff

A buyer, upon receiving an order, can open a "Return Request" and falsely claim "It's not as described" or "It's damaged", etc... 
At best the seller will just let you keep the item and give a refund. 

At worst the buyer ships the item back and gets the refund and return shipping cost. So, NO LOSS. 

 

eBay will take buyer's side in any dispute for the sake of profits.

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Buyer has nothing to loose in attempting a ripoff

I don't thing it is different on other sites.

In the end it's all about profit, baby!!!
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Over the past 6 months, I use to put up for auction 1 box of 4000 collectable cards every week. In the 6 months (approximately 24 auctions), I had 5 non-paying winners, and 3 buyers who paid, received the box, went through the box, pulled out ALL the cards that had any value, open a "return - doesn't match the description" case, Ebay ruled in their favor (even though the descriptions matched the items exactly!), Ebay put a hold on my funds, buyers returned the box, and EACH time the boxes were missing over 30% of the items that were packed in the box! I noticed a pattern that the buyers who either didn't pay or paid and returned the item for a full refund but didn't return all the items, all had accounts with less than 10 feedback and the accounts were created within 30 days of the end of my auction.

 

The fact that they (Ebay) allowed the returns in the first place really angered me! Then when I got the items back and they were missing everything of value, I lost it. I am not a business (which I don't know if I would be more upset or less upset if I was) and my son and I were selling our collection to help pay bills. So when these buyers who steal and abuse the Ebay system with no recourse is absolutely absurd. I disputed Ebay's ruling and they gave me this statement:

"I reviewed your account and please understand that there may be instances where seller and buyer may not agree on an item being 'not as described'. When this happened, we are humbly asking for you to try to put yourself in their shoes. I know that this may not have been clear when they selected that return reason, but in order to be fair, we have to go with the first reason they selected.

 

I would like to reiterate that we are asking you to provide return resolution so your buyer can return the item because it is the fairest outcome for both you and your customer. You get your item back and your customer gets their money back. We believe that the best option that we have is to have the item returned to you so that you can inspect it upon receiving it back before issuing a refund.  

 

I know that this wasn’t the response you wanted, but I trust that I've explained things clearly."

I don't feel that this was explained clearly. And I have a "no refund or return" on this listing and yet, Ebay allows this to happen.

 

Even though this is NOT an isolated incident, Ebay is still allowing this type of stuff to happen. However, because we cannot cancel a bid (that happens in the last minute) from a bidder that has less than 10 feedback, we have no way to see if the buyers are trust worthy, honest, scammers or abusing the system (this also ties into the post of Negative feedback for the buyer). This means that we, the sellers, get screwed and there is no way for us to be protected from this. Especially since Ebay always rules in the buyers favor.

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@brianhowell38 wrote:

So you think that was a sermon?


It's probably because you said: "Ebay paid both of us."

And then in the same breath: "Ebay is facilitating scammers - for a healthy profit."

 

There's no profit to pay both buyer and seller. Mega-preachers rely on their good looks, because  what they say doesn't always add up.

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"A buyer attempting a ripoff does loose their Integrity"

someone attempting a ripoff has NO integrity

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@oo8sunding wrote:

 

eBay will take buyer's side in any dispute for the sake of profits.


Every online transaction can go south.   No one can prove what a seller actually sends to a buyer so the old saying The Customer Is Always Right prevails.

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Buyer has nothing to loose in attempting a ripoff

Telling

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Buyer has nothing to loose in attempting a ripoff

Rarely the item is actually broken. A buyer can do that if the item is not broken and simply lie about. In any case the buyer suffers no loss. 

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Buyer has nothing to loose in attempting a ripoff

Even if you can prove eBay does not care. 

 

It's all about the money, baby!

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