02-26-2024 12:50 PM
Hi everyone, I shipped a box of enamelware dishes a couple weeks ago, shipment was tracked & said it was picked up at the post office after USPS couldn't deliver & left a notice. 5 days later buyer messaged me to say the box was empty. She sent pics of the packing material and the thank you note that was inside. The weight of the package when I shipped it would indicate it was not empty and the box didn't appear damaged. I can't rally any live human at eBay and not sure what to do. Any advice? I'm not super experienced at selling but the whole story is suspect to me.
02-27-2024 05:59 PM
The buyer can smash the box all they like for pictures to send to you on ebay and remove whatever they want from the box to show you a picture of that. None of which equates to the truth.
02-27-2024 06:01 PM
The enamel plate fairy stole the plates. LOL
02-27-2024 06:02 PM
YEAH THE plate fairy decided that after they stole them they better give them back to the rightful owner.
02-28-2024 06:55 PM
I taped the living hell outa that box! They would have had to run it over with the mail truck.
02-28-2024 10:15 PM
The buyer can smash the box all they like for pictures to send to you on ebay and remove whatever they want from the box to show you a picture of that. None of which equates to the truth.
Agree this is 100% a he said, she said, situation. However most carriers label and image a damaged package before they drop it off if damage does occur in shipping. As others noted the scan weights also include the weight of the package in route but that does not equate to what may or may not be inside the box.
There is no way to be 100% sure what the ground truth is which is why eBay policy leans towards the buyer so often. There are of course ways to fight and dispute that but it is a painful process. I have had to work through a number of damage claims with USPS and it is always a drawn out process that requires buyer cooperation. Without it you don't stand much of a chance with the claim.
02-28-2024 10:21 PM
When you mention your post office enquiry be sure to ask the customer to cooperate with the Postal Inspectors in there investigation of "rifling".
And I understand "rifling " is the term to use when you enquire about insurance at the post office.
The postal inspectors have a reputation.
02-28-2024 10:23 PM
@sextons-sweet-deals wrote:Here is the kicker, it took 5 days for the buyer realized the box was empty even after carrying it out of the post office.
I have seen this statement in this thread more than once and I want to add that some people simply can't get around to filing a return immediately and it does not in any way invalidate their claim. A buyer has 30 days to open a return, in fact they have 30 days after tracking shows delivery to contest the sale, it matters not that they didn't open a return or send a message to the seller the very day their item was delivered.
02-28-2024 10:36 PM - edited 02-28-2024 10:39 PM
This has happened to me once or twice, mostly as a buyer, a box arrives damaged and whether contents are missing or not it seems the shipper (whether usps or ups or fedex) take no responsibility for it. In fact if I want compensation the liability is placed on the seller, or it is where I am told to go seek funds.
It is frustrating as a seller, we all want to think the worst but the analytics of the case are clear, the fault falls on the seller regardless of what happened. So this buyer is correct in seeking the attention of the seller in this case, regardless of how deep some are looking to find scam or scheme in the matter, if a parcel arrives damaged with missing items then the liability is going to most likely fall on the seller.
I realize the seller stated they sent a box made almost entirely out of packing tape but as a general rule that is not how I like to send my boxes out. If there's going to be "packing" going on then most of that goes on inside the box in ways of padding. I tend to use only boxes that are in good physical shape and are either new or still look new cosmetically. Then I use a packing tape that STICKS and I usually wrap it once around the whole box to seal the flaps, sometimes I'll run a strip of tape across that, on odd occasion and for large parcels I'll run two strips but that's it. I don't do frankenboxes because it looks unprofessional and even thou the frankenbox should hold up better than anything it's the appearance of the frankenbox that in my mind tends to attract trouble.
Having read this thread I like the seller's attitude, it is likely the best way to get a cooperative buyer to assist in ways of filing a claim or what have you. As a seller it probably would be best to issue a refund at some stage before too much longer, but I would also most likely be inclined to file such a claim with the shipping company.
02-29-2024 06:57 PM
The buyer says she is opening a case with the post office for the loss, left me positive feedback (not just positive but downright effusive) and is not requesting a refund even though I offered it to her. I'll never know what actually happened but it's time to let it go. A sincere thank you to everyone who provided their thoughts and advice.
02-29-2024 08:22 PM
What was really weird in this particular case is the buyer asking the OP is they could "resend the dishes", as if the seller had actually SENT an empty box without the plates.
02-29-2024 09:21 PM
I just had a buyer send me a photo of her book. When she said it had a tear on the jacket I initially kicked myself for missing it.....but in the photo it was all torn to heck. I said remind me how I shipped it and s he said she would go find her husband for the materials. Last of heard from her. I wonder if her husband somehow ripped the jacket when opening the package. I don't have a photo of the package but given the book I probably used a Multi-D cardboard mailer. I don't know how it would be opened that disastrously. But she didn't get back to me about signs the package may have been opened for inspection (Media Mail).
03-01-2024 07:10 AM
Buyer picked the box up at the post office. Should be very easy to compare an empty box vs. a box with plates when picking it up. Waits five days to say anything.
My guess the buyer scamming. Probably has abused the system too much and cannot open a case. They only contacted the seller and sent a picture of packing material and the note.
No damage to box, no USPS tape stating it was damaged / tampered with.
I'm really not concerned about the 30-day issue. It is easy to tell what's going on here.
If the seller has the receipt from USPS, it will show the weight when received. I print my labels, but I wait in line to get a receipt. Never drop and walk away.
03-01-2024 04:28 PM
Well now the mailman who ran over the box has some nice plates to eat his lunch on along the way. LOL!!!
03-01-2024 04:29 PM
Yay!! Good job!
03-01-2024 04:43 PM
The buyer's claim seems absurdly suspicious. Why would he/she/it sign for an empty (very light) box if dishes were supposed to be in it? I would instruct the buyer to save all packaging and pursue an insurance claim for the questionable "loss".
If I suspected fraud, I would threaten to contact the buyer's county detectives and postal inspectors, and actually do it if pushed. You might be surprised by how effective these actions have been at fighting such scams, at least at my company.
My business always makes a video recording of the packing and sealing process. Unlike thieves, videos do not lie.