07-24-2020 03:24 AM
Not going into a full story on this, eBay knows the truth.
** REMOVE THE EBAY CONTROLLED BIDDING BOTS **
Bidding had become a JOKE and OVERPRICED
Most bidders are fake accounts, which end up "no longer being registered" once the item closes and never pay when they win.
Fix this eBay.
07-26-2020 11:27 AM
@maros9416 wrote:Some nibble bids, such as my first bid are a place holder just to get sent the reminders of when the auction is ending.
Yes, I will sometimes place an early bid, for various reasons:
Otherwise, though, you will not see me in your auction until the last few seconds, when I will slam in a bid that hopefully will make it mine.
Other than the exceptions above, there's no reason to be bidding on Tuesday in an auction that doesn't end until Thursday, as that will only give someone with deeper pockets the opportunity to outbid you. Similarly, it will give nibble bidders a chance to push your payment up to the limit, regardless of whether they decide to exceed it. (A nibble bidder -- or even a shill bidder -- may get to within less than one increment of your bid, or even tie it, which will reveal it to all, but without giving them the lead. This lets them uncover your high bid without having to retract theirs afterward.)
07-26-2020 02:16 PM
I found that doing it your way is actually better. I've forgotten to bid on so many I can't count them. lol
07-26-2020 02:23 PM
@coolections wrote:I found that doing it your way is actually better. I've forgotten to bid on so many I can't count them. lol
Oh yeah. My standard practice is to set an alarm on my phone, to go off 5 minutes before the end of the auction, and I almost always am surprised when it goes off. Without that reminder, I definitely would have missed it completely. Practically every time.
07-26-2020 04:08 PM - edited 07-26-2020 04:12 PM
It looks like you are a buyer and an occasional seller from Australia.
Yet you have posted to the Seller Board.
It also looks as if your sales were of mass produced electronica.
So much fun dissecting!
If you are being outbid on your own attempted purchases, then you won't get much sympathy here.
Seller love last minute sniping. It raises prices.
If you constantly lose to last second snipe bids, you are not bidding high enough.
Do some research to see what the actual market price for those items would be.
Keep in mind that as an Australian, you will be paying heavy shipping costs, which a North American buyer does not have to consider and that Australia has high import costs, both duty and sales taxes.
Few Americans have to consider those when placing their bids.
(We Canadians do, but we adjust.)
They can bid higher and still pay less on the bottom line.
In my opinion, given these facts, you would be better to buy Fixed Prince items, preferably those shipped with the Global Shipping Program, which would mean you would see your doorstep costs before you pay, you would always win when you "bid", and you would have five or six times as many listings to choose from, because less than 15% of eBay transactions are Auctions.
If you are complaining as a seller, your location is working against you.
Again you have high shipping, and even your winning bidders will blanche when they consider both the cost and the long delivery period. (For American readers, Australia Post has announced that they are not offering Air Mail service for parcels, only for lettermail during these pandemic times. This means up to three months delay.)
You mentions "0" FB customers.
Those are the ones who will be doing the least research.
They don't notice your location, and don't understand what it means to be buying from overseas.
They don't understand they are bidding in an Auction or that they are in a real contract. They are the customers who when they don't immediately win, shrug and move on to a Fixed Price item in their own country. Maddening, but understandable.
You seem to be dealing in electronics, which is a high value/high fraud category.
You will, no matter what else you do, have a higher rate of scammers than someone like me who sells sewing patterns.
If you want to have more completed sales, you have had a few suggestions already and I have more.
07-28-2020 03:52 PM
Affirmative...I noted an example before how the collector's that I have dealt with will set the snipe bid to $500 for a $20 item so that they can't lose.
07-28-2020 04:13 PM
That's all logical, but it is not what most people do. I don't bid on auctions, I am speaking from the seller perspective. We ran about 300 auctions in May. It is the back and forth between 2 buyers that fuels the action of the last few minutes of the auction. The bids are seldom comprised of only singular independent bids and/or bidders. I guess it depends on what you have because we were selling dozens of resalable NOS merchandise. If you 1st reasoned that you can afford to pay $2 per piece and someone came in and beat you out at $2.25, one may be inclined to go $2.50 per piece due to various reasons. If you have ever been to estate auctions, the average bidder constantly goes the extra bid after they were ' done '...As for the snipe bidders, yes they are most most serious and typically pay the most, but they are also much more selective and go for the best things. Unless they like everything you have up for auction, pound for pound the competing last minute bidders will gross more over so many auctions.
08-08-2020 10:43 PM
OK, i'll go into a full story, yes I know this is not on my home site, but it exists.
Since people have not experienced this yet.
Example:
* An item has NO active BIDS or BIDDERS and has been like that for a couple days.
* I decide to enter my maximum bid knowing there are NO other active BIDDERS.
* Instantly, and I mean INSTANTLY, there are other bidders who out bid my maximum. (BOTS)
This does not happen on all items, but at least 50% of them. When the item closes, it gets relisted due to failed payment and the winning bidder is no longer an ebay member. Proof is in the pudding and clearly visible within my account. I know this happens as my very last item I bid on, the winning bidder did not pay, failed to respond to messages from the seller (I ASKED) and now is now "no longer a registered user", all within 3 days of item close date. eBay don't close your account for a missed payment that quick. These fake bidders, usually have 0 feedback as well and have been registered less than 30 days.
If these bidding bots are waiting for someone to bid, how do they know the exact amount I bid to win. I have tested this by placing a very high bid on an item that is clearly not worth that amount and the bot bid the exact next amount to win, no other bids made, just the exact amount needed to win. I thought my MAX bid was not visible to anyone? So WHY does ebay allow this.
Just keep in mind, item I bid on "FOR PARTS NOT WORKING" items and the price they go for, nobody would pay in the real world. If anyone directs me to "HOW BIDDING WORKS" you have no idea of what I just explained and should not be using ebay and not comment. These fake bidding bots exist and ebay (WORLDWIDE) should be putting a stop to them, but they help RAISE commission for ebay, so they will do nothing.
08-09-2020 02:23 AM
The winning bid in an auction will always show as one bid increment above the second-highest bid, even if the winner's full proxy bid is much higher. When the winning bid is one bid increment above your bid, that does not mean that the winner knew the amount of your bid.
08-09-2020 07:37 AM
Honestly, do you people not even read.
Example:
Bid History: https://www.ebay.com.au/bfl/viewbids/124183174342?item=124183174342&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565
Not a registered user : https://offer.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidderProfile&mode=1&item=124183174342&bidtid=2250727...
These links prove there is dodgy bidding going on, especially when a "not registered user" is actively bidding, which going by eBay terms, is impossible in Australia. - Non-registered user can not bid/buy or sell.
femmefan1946 - I have no idea why you ramble about overseas postage and such, was I not clear in my first post?
Did you also not read? I mentioned that there were NO BIDS made when I made mine, INSTANTLY I was out bid to the next bid above my max bid, honestly I sound like a broken record repeating my self to dumb people.
To the person that gets off by bidding in the last second, you need to get a life mate!
You people keep paying those high fees that these bots rack up, it is called revenue raising, pretty sure you all heard of it.
08-09-2020 08:18 AM - edited 08-09-2020 08:19 AM
Of course I read your messages. You haven't shown any history of a bid magically appearing instantly after you placed your bid. I know what you said, but I don't believe you. I think there was already a bid, and it was showing at the opening bid price and you overlooked it. I probably cannot convince you about that, but I have a slim hope that I can help you understand how bid increments work.
The three links that you provided show the activity of a member who bid on a lot of things and was suspended by eBay AFTER the auction ended. You're right about that one thing: A member who has been suspended can't bid. But he bid so early in the auction that his bids had no effect on the outcome anyway.
08-09-2020 08:59 AM
Also, that bidder had 107 bid retractions in 6 months. It’s entirely possible that’s what caused his departure from eBay.
A certain category that makes up the majority of my purchases is almost entirely made up of auctions. I am a dedicated sniper and I rarely lose. I don’t telegraph my intentions ahead of time, set a timer with 90 seconds to go, and with 6-7 seconds left I pounce. I win at least 90% of the time.
I still remember, many , many years ago my “discovery” of the art of sniping. The skies turned blue, the sun came out, and somewhere in the distance I’m sure I heard a choir.
08-09-2020 09:15 AM
@bootedtech wrote:Honestly, do you people not even read.
Example:
Bid History: https://www.ebay.com.au/bfl/viewbids/124183174342?item=124183174342&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565
Not a registered user : https://offer.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidderProfile&mode=1&item=124183174342&bidtid=2250727...
These links prove there is dodgy bidding going on, especially when a "not registered user" is actively bidding, which going by eBay terms, is impossible in Australia. - Non-registered user can not bid/buy or sell.
Unfortunately the links you've posted prove no such thing. In fact that auction ended over two full days after the last bid was made. The bidder who was later booted off eBay posted his last bid a full six days earlier, and had already been outbid just over one hour after his last bid in that auction. As there were ultimately four other bidders higher than him, his bids had no effect at all on the final price.
Did you mean to show us a different auction? Please give us a link to any concluded auction where the bid history fits what you were seeing. If you were bidding with a different account, please give us the feedback number on that account so that we can follow it in the bid history (since the account IDs themselves are disguised).
@bootedtech wrote:To the person that gets off by bidding in the last second, you need to get a life mate!
Actually that's the easiest way to have a life. Rather than follow the progress of the auction through all the intermediate days, I just put the auction on my watch list in my buying account, then set an alarm on my phone to go off 5 minutes before the auction ends.
When the alarm goes off, I have enough time to look up the ending of the auction and decide if I want to snipe it. You will not see me in your auction until 5 seconds before the end. If I win, great; if I don't, then someone else wanted it more than me. I'm okay with that.
08-09-2020 02:08 PM
I didn't see where we were disagreeing either, but I decided to just let it go.