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A little upset with ebays customer service right now. escalated return request

A little background on case

 

A buyer on ebay purchased 3 fingerlings from me on nov 6th to be sent to 3 different addresses without packing slips or price. (Amazon drop Shipper) which i am perfectly fine with. i ship those items out to her customers and everything seems good. 

 

on dec 2nd she opens return requests for each one of those transactions and claims that the items are counterfeit and that i sent her a happy monkey. At that point i realized that this person is trying to scam me . please note that this is a drop shipper , they choose sellers that they believe will send their customers the best items, if i had sent 3 counterfeits to their amazon customers more than likely they would no longer have an amazon seller account. The dropshipper never sees or physically touches the items. This purchaser is not selling counterfeit items but what they are doing is swapping out their fake ones for real ones. 

 

 i have sold over 300 fingerlings on ebay  and have receipts totalling over 3000 dollars for them from major retailers such as walmart , target and kohls but i understand that doesnt matter to ebay. 

I am forced to accept the requests. i immediately call ebay and tell them about what happend and they said that they  took notes and told me to escalate the case when i receive items back. 

 

i recieve the first item on dec 8th ( other 2 have not been sent out yet) and upon opening it up it was indeed a happy monkey, not only was it a counterfeit item it wasnt even the same color of the item that i had shipped out.  

 

i then noticed that the return label (purchased from ebay through the return request with the buyers actual address on it ) was put over another label. so i peeled off the return label to find a china post label also with the buyers same address on it, under the customs description was  for a hand toy. so this buyer was so lazy or knew that there was no way that i would win this case even with this evidence that they just put the return label over the same exact label they used to purchase the counterfeit item from china. 

 

i then called ebay about this once again and they pretty much told me the same thing to escalate the case. i then upload 10 photos, 

 

1. 2 of a pile of receipts that i have ( possibly over 50) showing where i purchased the items and their prices .

 

2. a photo of the item i shipped out

 

3. a photo of the buyers amazon store, he also sells them on ebay as well but i figured ebay can see that.

 

4. 3 photos of the paypal invoices i have for his customers showing that he wants them shipped to 3 different locations with no packing slips or prices. (trying to show them that hes a drop shipper)

 

5. 3 photos of the item that i received back and the packaging showing buyers address on both the return label and the china post label.

 

i also tried to explain the best i could in the escalation, however i only recieve 2000 characters or so to do so. 

 

i filed claims with the buyers local police department, the usps mail fraud department and the IC3 about this person and also stated so in the escalated case. 

 

upon escalating the case it was closed within 10 minutes stating that the tracking number shows that the return was delivered.

 

i feel that ebays customer service or whoever handles these cases dont even care about all the pictures or what i wrote all they did was look at the tracking and saw that it was delivered. it looks like you can just send an empty envelope back as long as tracking shows delivered you can scam anyone. 

 

when i recieved the email about the case being closed i immediately called to file an appeal. the customer service rep didnt seem like she cared too much about the situation all she did was file for the appeal .

 

so now i a defect on my account for case closed without seller resolution and i am out  X amount of dollars for the item that i refunded.

 

it looks like the best case scenario right now is that  

 

1. i win the appeal and get my money back and defect removed

 

 

the buyer will more than likely get a refund either way , (either from me or ebay)

and nothing will happend to them.

 

even if i do win this case i still have 2 more return requests from this buyer, which i talked to ebay about and they said that they deal with it on case to case basis. 

  

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Update so it does look like the appeal went through and they reversed my defects and i received the transaction amount by ebay inc. so it looks like the buyer also got to keep their money as well.

i still have 2 more return requests and it appears that if i do escalate those return requests like i did this one i would also lose and have to file an appeal. if the buyer doesnt send the items back by the 18th i believe i can close the return requests on ebay but then i am sure they will open a claim on paypal which might be harder to win. i do not know what to do, i am tired and have spent numerous hours on the phone with customer service and filing all these claims.
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You'll likely lose on 2 counts..
1) The unwritten ebay policy that the "customer" (your buyer) is always right.
2) The accepted axiom that any given CS response is nothing more a response du jour.

In short, in the eyes of ebay, any loss a seller incurs is simply "the cost of doing business".
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@makeupsolutions wrote:

A little background on case

 

A buyer on ebay purchased 3 fingerlings from me on nov 6th to be sent to 3 different addresses without packing slips or price. (Amazon drop Shipper) which i am perfectly fine with. i ship those items out to her customers and everything seems good. 

 

on dec 2nd she opens return requests for each one of those transactions and claims that the items are counterfeit and that i sent her a happy monkey. At that point i realized that this person is trying to scam me . please note that this is a drop shipper , they choose sellers that they believe will send their customers the best items, if i had sent 3 counterfeits to their amazon customers more than likely they would no longer have an amazon seller account. The dropshipper never sees or physically touches the items. This purchaser is not selling counterfeit items but what they are doing is swapping out their fake ones for real ones. 

 

 i have sold over 300 fingerlings on ebay  and have receipts totalling over 3000 dollars for them from major retailers such as walmart , target and kohls but i understand that doesnt matter to ebay. 

I am forced to accept the requests. i immediately call ebay and tell them about what happend and they said that they  took notes and told me to escalate the case when i receive items back. 

 

i recieve the first item on dec 8th ( other 2 have not been sent out yet) and upon opening it up it was indeed a happy monkey, not only was it a counterfeit item it wasnt even the same color of the item that i had shipped out.  

 

i then noticed that the return label (purchased from ebay through the return request with the buyers actual address on it ) was put over another label. so i peeled off the return label to find a china post label also with the buyers same address on it, under the customs description was  for a hand toy. so this buyer was so lazy or knew that there was no way that i would win this case even with this evidence that they just put the return label over the same exact label they used to purchase the counterfeit item from china. 

 

i then called ebay about this once again and they pretty much told me the same thing to escalate the case. i then upload 10 photos, 

 

1. 2 of a pile of receipts that i have ( possibly over 50) showing where i purchased the items and their prices .

 

2. a photo of the item i shipped out

 

3. a photo of the buyers amazon store, he also sells them on ebay as well but i figured ebay can see that.

 

4. 3 photos of the paypal invoices i have for his customers showing that he wants them shipped to 3 different locations with no packing slips or prices. (trying to show them that hes a drop shipper)

 

5. 3 photos of the item that i received back and the packaging showing buyers address on both the return label and the china post label.

 

i also tried to explain the best i could in the escalation, however i only recieve 2000 characters or so to do so. 

 

i filed claims with the buyers local police department, the usps mail fraud department and the IC3 about this person and also stated so in the escalated case. 

 

upon escalating the case it was closed within 10 minutes stating that the tracking number shows that the return was delivered.

 

i feel that ebays customer service or whoever handles these cases dont even care about all the pictures or what i wrote all they did was look at the tracking and saw that it was delivered. it looks like you can just send an empty envelope back as long as tracking shows delivered you can scam anyone. 

 

when i recieved the email about the case being closed i immediately called to file an appeal. the customer service rep didnt seem like she cared too much about the situation all she did was file for the appeal .

 

so now i a defect on my account for case closed without seller resolution and i am out  X amount of dollars for the item that i refunded.

 

it looks like the best case scenario right now is that  

 

1. i win the appeal and get my money back and defect removed

 

 

the buyer will more than likely get a refund either way , (either from me or ebay)

and nothing will happend to them.

 

even if i do win this case i still have 2 more return requests from this buyer, which i talked to ebay about and they said that they deal with it on case to case basis. 

  


In my opinion you deserve a great deal of credit for expending considerable time and effort in helping to help make ebay safer for both seller and buyer.

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i do feel the same way, i have debated on just issueing the refund and calling it a lost which i do quite often if its just 1 case, but this person opening 3 just really angered me
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OP, sorry this happened to you, but congratulations, you successfully appealed this one.

 

Hopefully the others will go in your favor, too.  

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@ed8108 wrote:

@makeupsolutions wrote:

A little background on case

 

A buyer on ebay purchased 3 fingerlings from me on nov 6th to be sent to 3 different addresses without packing slips or price. (Amazon drop Shipper) which i am perfectly fine with. i ship those items out to her customers and everything seems good. 

 

on dec 2nd she opens return requests for each one of those transactions and claims that the items are counterfeit and that i sent her a happy monkey. At that point i realized that this person is trying to scam me . please note that this is a drop shipper , they choose sellers that they believe will send their customers the best items, if i had sent 3 counterfeits to their amazon customers more than likely they would no longer have an amazon seller account. The dropshipper never sees or physically touches the items. This purchaser is not selling counterfeit items but what they are doing is swapping out their fake ones for real ones. 

 

 i have sold over 300 fingerlings on ebay  and have receipts totalling over 3000 dollars for them from major retailers such as walmart , target and kohls but i understand that doesnt matter to ebay. 

I am forced to accept the requests. i immediately call ebay and tell them about what happend and they said that they  took notes and told me to escalate the case when i receive items back. 

 

i recieve the first item on dec 8th ( other 2 have not been sent out yet) and upon opening it up it was indeed a happy monkey, not only was it a counterfeit item it wasnt even the same color of the item that i had shipped out.  

 

i then noticed that the return label (purchased from ebay through the return request with the buyers actual address on it ) was put over another label. so i peeled off the return label to find a china post label also with the buyers same address on it, under the customs description was  for a hand toy. so this buyer was so lazy or knew that there was no way that i would win this case even with this evidence that they just put the return label over the same exact label they used to purchase the counterfeit item from china. 

 

i then called ebay about this once again and they pretty much told me the same thing to escalate the case. i then upload 10 photos, 

 

1. 2 of a pile of receipts that i have ( possibly over 50) showing where i purchased the items and their prices .

 

2. a photo of the item i shipped out

 

3. a photo of the buyers amazon store, he also sells them on ebay as well but i figured ebay can see that.

 

4. 3 photos of the paypal invoices i have for his customers showing that he wants them shipped to 3 different locations with no packing slips or prices. (trying to show them that hes a drop shipper)

 

5. 3 photos of the item that i received back and the packaging showing buyers address on both the return label and the china post label.

 

i also tried to explain the best i could in the escalation, however i only recieve 2000 characters or so to do so. 

 

i filed claims with the buyers local police department, the usps mail fraud department and the IC3 about this person and also stated so in the escalated case. 

 

upon escalating the case it was closed within 10 minutes stating that the tracking number shows that the return was delivered.

 

i feel that ebays customer service or whoever handles these cases dont even care about all the pictures or what i wrote all they did was look at the tracking and saw that it was delivered. it looks like you can just send an empty envelope back as long as tracking shows delivered you can scam anyone. 

 

when i recieved the email about the case being closed i immediately called to file an appeal. the customer service rep didnt seem like she cared too much about the situation all she did was file for the appeal .

 

so now i a defect on my account for case closed without seller resolution and i am out  X amount of dollars for the item that i refunded.

 

it looks like the best case scenario right now is that  

 

1. i win the appeal and get my money back and defect removed

 

 

the buyer will more than likely get a refund either way , (either from me or ebay)

and nothing will happend to them.

 

even if i do win this case i still have 2 more return requests from this buyer, which i talked to ebay about and they said that they deal with it on case to case basis. 

  


In my opinion you deserve a great deal of credit for expending considerable time and effort in helping to help make ebay safer for both seller and buyer.


And using paragraphs!

 

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i hope so too, i feel like i am going to have to fight real hard though to get these cases won. i am unsure what would be an easier fight, with ebay or with paypal. if i get the cases closed on ebay for non shipment of returns then there is a chance she will go to paypal and open up cases there. i have read that paypal doesnt really care whiether the case has been closed on ebay or not. what really sucks though is that this person will get away with all this and be able to do it again to another person. i have called amazon's customer service however it is not easy to explain drop shipping to their tier 1 overseas customer service. i also filed a report on amazon but i doubt that will do anything since this case doesnt really directly affect them. she will more than likely get to keep her ebay account as well.
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Your drop shipping buyer is trying to make her profit margin 100%. In fighting the other 2 cases, you need to make sure eBay understands this and make sure they see the first case was decided in your favor.

 

Please do put this person on your blocked bidders list.

 

The nerve of some people...

Chaos is NOT an "industry standard".
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