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2022 IRS Changes - selling old items with no receipt

I sell mostly used clothes on ebay.  These are clothes that my family has worn and I sell at a loss.  The majority of these clothes I do not have receipts for.  How will this work moving forward when sales are reported?  Will the IRS accept my report that I made no money on these without proof?  I don't understand how this will work for the non-business people on here without getting screwed.  

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@anasazirose 

 

"Keep in mind, though, that is you sell a rare driver at a profit, that profit is taxable.  Even if $10 20 years ago is $100 today, Uncle Sam wants taxes on the 'imaginary profit' of $90 even if you can buy less with $100 today than you could with $10 20 years ago."

 

Couple of things.  How is it an "imaginary profit"?  If you bought it for $10 twenty years ago, used it over the past 20 years and then sold it for 10 times what you paid for it, why would that not be a real profit?


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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I agree, I could easily have over 100 personal sales a year. 

 

How much people have to sell shouldn't be the determination of why they sell.  (personal vs business)

 

When my husband and I got married, together we had 150 coffee mugs/cups.  We donated most, and are selling some now. 

 

At one point in my life, I owned 87 pair of shoes at one time, not counting my boots.  Gave some to my cousin when I no longer worked in an office, also donated a lot. 

 

In an age where we spent, spent, spent, my mom, sister, and I would go shopping and buy things we didn't need and could never use. 

 

Just last year, we cleaned out my mom's attic and donated 5 truckloads of Christmas items.  Most were MIB.  No one had time to advertise them on MP or CL and wait for a buyer, nor to list online.  Mom wanted them GONE.  She had no less than 50 nativity sets, and a ton of musicals.  A month later we helped her again and had 2 truckloads of Easter items.  If I were to list that and it sold, no doubt at a loss, people would definitely think I am a business.  My mom is now pulling out my Grandmother's jewelry that she no longer wants.  That is small enough to fill 2 jewelry boxes, and doesn't take up much space, so I'll hold onto it for a bit, maybe. 

 

I've already told my son that my storage unit is filled with cast iron pans and crocks that I have collected for years.  I easily have 100-150 pans and about 40-50 crocks.  If I listed those collections, some would say I have a business, but none were purchased for selling.  Some have most definitely gone up in value, and I wonder how the IRS would view that. 

 

It's kind of like I said before, if I buy something for $10 and sell it 20 years later for $100, did I really make a $90 profit? 

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My kids left about 30 chemistry, calculus, biology and physics textbooks when they moved.  I paid for them when they each did their 8 years of college.  When I list them, I'll have receipts (IF they sell), but right there would be 30 of 100 personal sales.  I have a personal library of about 1000 books.  I'd love to sell half.  Those would definitely sell at a loss.  Most were purchased at brick and mortar stores (no Amazon look up receipts).  Just with my personal books, I could have 530 sales (if I were that lucky), and that's not even touching our closets, porcelain dolls, Christmas decorations, Barbie dolls, Dawn dolls, my son's Pez collections, and his 27 binders chok full of sports cards (although he's not selling). 

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@anasazirose 

 

"How much people have to sell shouldn't be the determination of why they sell.  (personal vs business)"  It doesn't.  IRS doesn't care if a seller considers themselves a business or just for personal reasons.  That does not matter to IRS one bit.  Nor does IRS care how many things you sell over the year under the new rule.

 

AS to your mom's stuff.  If you had sold the stuff for you, you would have been a consignment type business.  If you want to stay on the personal side, you can ONLY sell your own stuff.

 

"I've already told my son that my storage unit is filled with cast iron pans and crocks that I have collected for years.  I easily have 100-150 pans and about 40-50 crocks.  If I listed those collections, some would say I have a business, but none were purchased for selling.  Some have most definitely gone up in value, and I wonder how the IRS would view that. "  It doesn't matter what anyone else says about it except IRS.  This isn't something that a peer group makes a decision on, ONLY IRS makes that determination.

 

As to your final question, I answered that before and the answer is yes.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@anasazirose wrote:

My kids left about 30 chemistry, calculus, biology and physics textbooks when they moved.  I paid for them when they each did their 8 years of college.  When I list them, I'll have receipts (IF they sell), but right there would be 30 of 100 personal sales.  I have a personal library of about 1000 books.  I'd love to sell half.  Those would definitely sell at a loss.  Most were purchased at brick and mortar stores (no Amazon look up receipts).  Just with my personal books, I could have 530 sales (if I were that lucky), and that's not even touching our closets, porcelain dolls, Christmas decorations, Barbie dolls, Dawn dolls, my son's Pez collections, and his 27 binders chok full of sports cards (although he's not selling). 


You seem to be hung up on the number of items you might sell.  I don't know what that matters anymore.  IRS doesn't care.  You just need to follow their rules.  As long as you are ONLY selling your own stuff.  Not your mom's stuff.  Not anyone elses, just yours.

 

If you have a need to sell someone else's stuff for them, it would be easier bookkeeping to sell those under a different account.  Much easier to track stuff.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@anasazirose wrote:

My kids left about 30 chemistry, calculus, biology and physics textbooks when they moved. ...right there would be 30 of 100 personal sales. ....  Just with my personal books, I could have 530 sales .... 


The number of transactions is irrelevant.

 

The textbooks are probably not sellable.  Most of those books get updated every few years and older editions wont have the content that current courses expect.

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What your FIL did was legal, especially if it were 'lumped in' with many other non cash charitable contributions on Form 8283, i think it was..  Total basis vs total value.  Why pay more taxes than required to? 

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There has been no IRS changes except for the threshold of when our sales generate a 1099 and get reported to the IRS 

 

If you have been keeping records and reporting income before 2022 Tax Filing then no worries

If you were not reporting income and NOT paying taxes before then yes worry  

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Make yourself a spreadsheet.  If you can't do it online, do it on paper.  Item name, where acquired, when acquired, cost (best guess or research online), venue sold, final bid, buyer amount paid for shipping, actual shipping cost, any handling charge profit, ebay FVF, international fee,

 

2 shipping amounts because if I use ebay to print labels, I pay less than the buyer.  Buyer pays retail, I pay commercial.  That profit may be taxable.  If you have an item returned, you may need extra columns or just reenter the item as a return on a separate line and put parenthesis around the total (on paper) or enter as a negative in a program.

 

I would also keep track of dates and mileage to and from the post office or mailing center, and to and from store if trip is exclusively to pick up supplies, as well as expenses and receipts paid for boxes, tape, shipping (if applicable) , bubble wrap, etc.  Some of these may be determined to be non deductible against the profit, some may be allowed.  Just keep as accurate and consistent records as possible.  AND no matter whether kept on paper or in a program, keep a back up or copy in a safe place.

 

I've just started selling my personal items online, and I'll be doing all of the above.  If anyone else can think of anything to add, please do.

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@anasazirose 

Good coverage of what to keep track of 

 

I will say for personal "Used" items the best you can do is research current models and adjust for todays market, that is if you cannot remember what you paid when new purchasing 

If the item is defunct and no longer available then use best guess , the IRS wants to at least see something of value profit or loss  

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"2 shipping amounts because if I use ebay to print labels, I pay less than the buyer.  Buyer pays retail, I pay commercial.  That profit may be taxable. "

That's not how it works. The buyer's total payment is reportable as gross income, and then whatever you actually paid in postage is a deductible expense. Remember, sellers also can charge a handling fee; others offer Free shipping.  Both eBay and the IRS just loo at the buyer's total payment regardless of how it broke down between shipping and item price.

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The more I see the posts on this forum the more glad I am that the bar was lowered for issuing a 1099

Here so many of us were reporting and paying taxes while so many I see posting are scared and have no clue what to do because they were evading taxes

 

+1 for the new 1099 IRS reporting Federal Law 

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As the cost of living has increased, $10 20 years ago could buy more than $100 can today.  Bread, a pair of shoes, wool blankets or socks, silver, cars, gasoline, adjusted for inflation, the $90 profit isn't really a profit at all. 

 

I am not referring to collectibles that people buy, like a $10K baseball card, pyrex etc.

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I'm not hung up on anything.  I referenced how easily I could come up with a large quantity of personal sales in reference to a thread within this thread where one commenter suggested that someone with over 100 sales must be flipping for profit as it seemed inconceivable to them that anyone could have that much unused, unwanted, and unneeded STUFF.  (note the 'reply to' in my comment, and if you click on it, it'll take you to that comment.)

 

I don't sell anyone's stuff, nor do I have a 'need' to.  Heck, not even mine is moving.  But thanks for your advice about following IRS rules....not sure I'd have thought of that.... 😉

 

 

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See answer to last reference in regards to reason I used a number of transactions.

 

As I said, in reference to books, IF they sell. Just counting unused, unneeded and unwanted items to show that anyone could have over 100 personal sales to the person who said it wasn't possible.

 

I've donated many books to Project Paperback.  Many books are needed, including older textbooks.  They have 1 particular US Army base that is building  a textbook library for the soldiers.  I will probably send them to him. 

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