10 percent shipping fee

[tacticaltracey1013]

Funny how e-bay charges sellers 10% on shipping costs. Many sellers will fix this 10% fee into what they charge for shipping. The buyer ends up paying more for shipping because of this.

Funny

Also what is funny is how the seller can receive low feedback ratings on their SHIPPING & HANDLING CHARGES (because of either not using free shipping or high shipping charges) in their seller dashboard.

Funny

By the way I am sure I am not the first or the last one to discover this.

[shesellsseashells73]

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@etvideo1ataol wrote:

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@dhbookds wrote:

All they had to do is look at the ad and see if they were doing the .99 thing with $99 shipping and if the seller was doing that they could warn the seller and pull their ad the first time.

yep, slam dunk with 800 MILLION listings to look at......

Plus, still is unfair to seller who use FREE shipping.........who would have to pay the full fvf since they would include shipping costs in the price......

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I listed a DVD titled Faces Of Death, a documentary (which I have listed elsewhere with no problem) and it didn't take a day before eBay found it among those millions and removed it for some strange reason since it was not about sex of more violent that thousands of movies listed.

Daily, sometimes more than once a day, I get emails from eBay recommending things for sale based on what I have searched.  If they can do that, they can tell when price vs shipping costs are out of line.

They include the shipping costs in the FVF because it doesn't look as bad as a fee increase, but that is exactly what it is.

And everybody knows it.

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Faces of Death is a disgusting movie.  Actually, aren't there more than one?  I am shocked something like that is allowed to be made.  I am still haunted by the one experience I had with just a piece of one of those movies wayyyy back when I was in high school and some moron guy turned it on to freak out the girls in the room.  

Inappropriate - at best.

[paulhua3]

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etvideo1ataol wrote

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They include the shipping costs in the FVF because it doesn't look as bad as a fee increase, but that is exactly what it is.

And everybody knows it.

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Yes, it's a fee increase and if you want to be successful on eBay you take that into account when you set your prices and shipping charges.  All the arguments about why eBay did this are immaterial.  It's a fee increase, get over it and move on.

[jmhazlett]

I would just like to point out that Ebay is not alone in charging fees for shipping.  Amazon also charges fees (15%) on the total cost of an item including shipping. So yeah the 10% fee is a pain and it increases out cost but it could be worse.

[johnrj1226]

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@etvideo1ataol wrote:

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@bookpoundbooks wrote:

eBay began doing this because sellers were abusing the shipping system to avoid final value fees.

In the early days of eBay you could by a camcorder for $1.99 + $99 for shipping. (slight exaggeration, but you get the point).

Sellers can avoid negative feedback by adding the extra shiiping fees into the product price and not the shipping price.

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Yes, and eBay had a choice.  It could go after those that abused the system, or they could screw over all sellers by including the shipping costs in the FVF.

Guess which eBay chose.

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Then please logically explain what the difference is in charging a FVF on a listing with an item price & separately identified shipping charge versus a listing that offers an item with "free shipping" & the same shipping charge is rolled into one neat selling or auction start price. Seems to me that eBay & the sellers that offered "free shipping" were getting "screwed over prior to 2012"  that is when the FVF was assessed on the separated shipping charge.  Now it is a level playing field for all involved  - that seems fair.

BTW  I am primarily an eBay seller

[johnrj1226]

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@fuzzface50 wrote:

'Yes, and eBay had a choice.  It could go after those that abused the system, or they could screw over all sellers by including the shipping costs in the FVF.

Guess which eBay chose."

what everyone forgets is at the same time they changed the listing fee. it used to be tiered based  on your starting bid. my fees actually went down after they started the 10% on shipping because it was offset by the lower listing fee and it leveled the playing field for the honest seller that didn't list their $100 item for .01 with $99.99 shipping on it.

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Totally agree with this - the complainers always seem to focus in on the added selling cost and have conveniently forget to mention the COST SAVINGS things that eBay implemented around the same time - like the following:

•  used to  get one free pic/listing, extra pic were at 10 cents each - eBay introduced  up to 12 free pics - savings potential / listing $1.10 - we  average 6 to  8 pics/listing so net saving realized is 50 to 70 cents/list.
• when we  started selling on eBay in 2010 - we paid a listing fee for each and every listing, with that  "tiered"  pricing you reference.  But eBay then  provided a monthly allocation  of 50 free listing to non store subscribers  50 x .20 cents (I think that was the listing fee for up to $19.99 start price) or a $1.00 savings /month.
• In 2010/2011 as i recall the "free listing" promos were not so frequent  as they are today - but I know I haven't paid a listing fee since 2013 - used to pay $15 to 18/month.
• Our average selling price for shipping is $8.92 (averaged over 1418 items).  We ship via Priority Mail & ship 45-47% of our stuff to  the West Coast region (zone 😎 from Georgia - so we pay an extra 90 cent in FVF/item shipped.  The regional  A boxes helped keep  shipping purchase cost down.  USPS has had  3 significant price increases since 2010 on priority mail.

In summary, after actually putting a pencil (aka excel spread sheets)  to all the above  + and  - costs,  I discovered our overall eBay/PayPal  selling fees, expressed in  actual/dollars were item sold and % centage of average sales dollars virtually remained unchanged

If one identifies each of the elements in their COGS from year to year you can track this info.  If you don't track it then one is steering a ship without a rudder and have unfounded comments.

Just my take on this issue & I'll stick to it.

[etvideo1ataol]

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@johnrj1226 wrote:

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@fuzzface50 wrote:

'Yes, and eBay had a choice.  It could go after those that abused the system, or they could screw over all sellers by including the shipping costs in the FVF.

Guess which eBay chose."

what everyone forgets is at the same time they changed the listing fee. it used to be tiered based  on your starting bid. my fees actually went down after they started the 10% on shipping because it was offset by the lower listing fee and it leveled the playing field for the honest seller that didn't list their $100 item for .01 with $99.99 shipping on it.

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Totally agree with this - the complainers always seem to focus in on the added selling cost and have conveniently forget to mention the COST SAVINGS things that eBay implemented around the same time - like the following:

•  used to  get one free pic/listing, extra pic were at 10 cents each - eBay introduced  up to 12 free pics - savings potential / listing $1.10 - we  average 6 to  8 pics/listing so net saving realized is 50 to 70 cents/list.
• when we  started selling on eBay in 2010 - we paid a listing fee for each and every listing, with that  "tiered"  pricing you reference.  But eBay then  provided a monthly allocation  of 50 free listing to non store subscribers  50 x .20 cents (I think that was the listing fee for up to $19.99 start price) or a $1.00 savings /month.
• In 2010/2011 as i recall the "free listing" promos were not so frequent  as they are today - but I know I haven't paid a listing fee since 2013 - used to pay $15 to 18/month.
• Our average selling price for shipping is $8.92 (averaged over 1418 items).  We ship via Priority Mail & ship 45-47% of our stuff to  the West Coast region (zone 😎 from Georgia - so we pay an extra 90 cent in FVF/item shipped.  The regional  A boxes helped keep  shipping purchase cost down.  USPS has had  3 significant price increases since 2010 on priority mail.

In summary, after actually putting a pencil (aka excel spread sheets)  to all the above  + and  - costs,  I discovered our overall eBay/PayPal  selling fees, expressed in  actual/dollars were item sold and % centage of average sales dollars virtually remained unchanged

If one identifies each of the elements in their COGS from year to year you can track this info.  If you don't track it then one is steering a ship without a rudder and have unfounded comments.

Just my take on this issue & I'll stick to it.

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I'm sorry, but charging a fee on an expense is and evil and being nice somewhere else does not JUSTIFY it.  Saying "have a nice day" after robbing you is not an excuse.

I love the "complainers" thing.  A little ridicule of people that disagree.  Goes a long way in making it easy to dismiss someone.  Makes me feel like I am right about this.

[myangelandmyprincess]

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@etvideo1ataol wrote:

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@johnrj1226 wrote:

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@fuzzface50 wrote:

'Yes, and eBay had a choice.  It could go after those that abused the system, or they could screw over all sellers by including the shipping costs in the FVF.

Guess which eBay chose."

what everyone forgets is at the same time they changed the listing fee. it used to be tiered based  on your starting bid. my fees actually went down after they started the 10% on shipping because it was offset by the lower listing fee and it leveled the playing field for the honest seller that didn't list their $100 item for .01 with $99.99 shipping on it.

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Totally agree with this - the complainers always seem to focus in on the added selling cost and have conveniently forget to mention the COST SAVINGS things that eBay implemented around the same time - like the following:

•  used to  get one free pic/listing, extra pic were at 10 cents each - eBay introduced  up to 12 free pics - savings potential / listing $1.10 - we  average 6 to  8 pics/listing so net saving realized is 50 to 70 cents/list.
• when we  started selling on eBay in 2010 - we paid a listing fee for each and every listing, with that  "tiered"  pricing you reference.  But eBay then  provided a monthly allocation  of 50 free listing to non store subscribers  50 x .20 cents (I think that was the listing fee for up to $19.99 start price) or a $1.00 savings /month.
• In 2010/2011 as i recall the "free listing" promos were not so frequent  as they are today - but I know I haven't paid a listing fee since 2013 - used to pay $15 to 18/month.
• Our average selling price for shipping is $8.92 (averaged over 1418 items).  We ship via Priority Mail & ship 45-47% of our stuff to  the West Coast region (zone 😎 from Georgia - so we pay an extra 90 cent in FVF/item shipped.  The regional  A boxes helped keep  shipping purchase cost down.  USPS has had  3 significant price increases since 2010 on priority mail.

In summary, after actually putting a pencil (aka excel spread sheets)  to all the above  + and  - costs,  I discovered our overall eBay/PayPal  selling fees, expressed in  actual/dollars were item sold and % centage of average sales dollars virtually remained unchanged

If one identifies each of the elements in their COGS from year to year you can track this info.  If you don't track it then one is steering a ship without a rudder and have unfounded comments.

Just my take on this issue & I'll stick to it.

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I'm sorry, but charging a fee on an expense is and evil and being nice somewhere else does not JUSTIFY it.  Saying "have a nice day" after robbing you is not an excuse.

I love the "complainers" thing.  A little ridicule of people that disagree.  Goes a long way in making it easy to dismiss someone.  Makes me feel like I am right about this.

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Poor analogy I don't know a single robber who leaves me with more money then I had to begin with n if they are they're doing it wrong.

More like someone needs change for a 10 but you only have change for a five.  They're like that's fine take the 10 I'll just take the five in change   And you're upset because you lost your five in change even though you came out ahead.  

There used to to be a fee increase every year too but there hasn't been any huge changes at least not in my category for a while   

But seriously you if you want to be angry about it be angry at the abusers  who drove eBay to this solution. eBay did it so they quit losing money a business decision pure and simple.  They tried to make it as fair as possible by lowering fees elsewhere.  

[etvideo1ataol]

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@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

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@etvideo1ataol wrote:

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@johnrj1226 wrote:

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@fuzzface50 wrote:

'Yes, and eBay had a choice.  It could go after those that abused the system, or they could screw over all sellers by including the shipping costs in the FVF.

Guess which eBay chose."

what everyone forgets is at the same time they changed the listing fee. it used to be tiered based  on your starting bid. my fees actually went down after they started the 10% on shipping because it was offset by the lower listing fee and it leveled the playing field for the honest seller that didn't list their $100 item for .01 with $99.99 shipping on it.

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Totally agree with this - the complainers always seem to focus in on the added selling cost and have conveniently forget to mention the COST SAVINGS things that eBay implemented around the same time - like the following:

•  used to  get one free pic/listing, extra pic were at 10 cents each - eBay introduced  up to 12 free pics - savings potential / listing $1.10 - we  average 6 to  8 pics/listing so net saving realized is 50 to 70 cents/list.
• when we  started selling on eBay in 2010 - we paid a listing fee for each and every listing, with that  "tiered"  pricing you reference.  But eBay then  provided a monthly allocation  of 50 free listing to non store subscribers  50 x .20 cents (I think that was the listing fee for up to $19.99 start price) or a $1.00 savings /month.
• In 2010/2011 as i recall the "free listing" promos were not so frequent  as they are today - but I know I haven't paid a listing fee since 2013 - used to pay $15 to 18/month.
• Our average selling price for shipping is $8.92 (averaged over 1418 items).  We ship via Priority Mail & ship 45-47% of our stuff to  the West Coast region (zone 😎 from Georgia - so we pay an extra 90 cent in FVF/item shipped.  The regional  A boxes helped keep  shipping purchase cost down.  USPS has had  3 significant price increases since 2010 on priority mail.

In summary, after actually putting a pencil (aka excel spread sheets)  to all the above  + and  - costs,  I discovered our overall eBay/PayPal  selling fees, expressed in  actual/dollars were item sold and % centage of average sales dollars virtually remained unchanged

If one identifies each of the elements in their COGS from year to year you can track this info.  If you don't track it then one is steering a ship without a rudder and have unfounded comments.

Just my take on this issue & I'll stick to it.

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I'm sorry, but charging a fee on an expense is and evil and being nice somewhere else does not JUSTIFY it.  Saying "have a nice day" after robbing you is not an excuse.

I love the "complainers" thing.  A little ridicule of people that disagree.  Goes a long way in making it easy to dismiss someone.  Makes me feel like I am right about this.

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Poor analogy I don't know a single robber who leaves me with more money then I had to begin with n if they are they're doing it wrong.

More like someone needs change for a 10 but you only have change for a five.  They're like that's fine take the 10 I'll just take the five in change   And you're upset because you lost your five in change even though you came out ahead.  

There used to to be a fee increase every year too but there hasn't been any huge changes at least not in my category for a while   

But seriously you if you want to be angry about it be angry at the abusers  who drove eBay to this solution. eBay did it so they quit losing money a business decision pure and simple.  They tried to make it as fair as possible by lowering fees elsewhere.  

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I'll make it easier.  There is always an attempt to justify things that are wrong.  Whatever fee changes eBay granted has NOTHING to to with the great wrong in charging a fee on an expense, a money that eBay did not earn, but just took.

eBay givith and they takith away.  A break at one time, vanishes later, but the fee on shipping costs is forever and equal to theft since eBay did nothing to earn it.

[iceman-273]

"Makes me feel like I am right about this "

You thought that before you first posted to the thread. It's a 4 year old policy; none of your suggested alternatives would be an improvement. And has been explained, ebay reduced or eliminated other fees when they made this change. Most sellers broke even on the changes or actually saved money. You're trying to fix something that isn't a problem for the vast majority of sellers.

[iceman-273]

"the fee on shipping costs is forever and equal to theft since eBay did nothing to earn it."

So why are you still dealing with these criminals?

[johnrj1226]

you say this:

"I'm sorry, but charging a fee on an expense is and evil and being nice somewhere else does not JUSTIFY it."

I say this:

This is not about good (nice) & evil - what  eBay is doing is totally legal.  Shipping  costs (to  a buyer) are just another expense, it is part of Cost of Goods Sold (COGS), like eBay FVF fees, PayPal fees, item acquisition cost & associated ship in (to you) fees, tape, printing paper, eBay store fees, listing fees, etc. these are all  related sales expenses plus your expected  profit margin.  These all need to be recovered in your total price the end user pays.   FYI PayPal has always collected their fees on on the amount the buyer paid for the  separate shipping - hmm.

In other words, eBay is charging a FVF on  your  total expenses & profit.  You might want to read  up COGS this link will give you some basics and the embedded links will help you gain a more complete understanding   http://www.accountingcoach.com/terms/C/cost-of-goods-sold

This FVF fee went into effect almost 4 years ago - why still complain.   Life is not fair get used to it.

Heck I used to pay 19-25 cents  for a gallon of gasoline ('58 -'60 time period) and a 6 pack of coke costs more than a six pack of Bud  ('68 - '70 time period) - then all these government folks started piling on all these  taxes & fees.

[fawnnmeletitbe]

This thread exists because you poste it.

Also, when you clcked the button to agree to Ebay's policies, that included agreeing to the fees they charge to list.

So exactly how is Ebay  doing something wrong?

It never ceases to amaze me, that someone agrees to something, then finds out it costs a tiny bit more than they thought, and that person blames the other party, when all along  the other pary was open and clear about the costs.

[fawnnmeletitbe]

Ummm buyers pay that fee. When we pay you, you have that cost already added in to your  price and shipping. If a seller has not added that in, then that seller can only blame themselves.

[snard-snard]

I'm glad that someone brought up this topic again.

I was starting to worry that the number desgnating the national debt was going to surpass this subject's number of threads.

WHEW!  That was a close one!