11-04-2021 02:45 PM
So, a few weeks ago I sold a toy rifle. One piece (part of the trigger guard) was slightly cracked, which I mentioned in the description. When it arrived, the buyer told me that it had gotten damaged in transit and opened a return. They uploaded a photo showing that the cracked piece had broken off, but that the item was otherwise still intact. I immediately approved the return and purchased a label, since I knew it was my fault for not packaging it well enough and I'd have no chance of fighting it. Almost two weeks later, they finally shipped the item back (they sent me a message blaming health problems, so I don't blame them for that part).
I just received it back and I could tell as soon as I picked up the package that something was wrong. It felt too light, and the item was clunking around way too much inside the box. My fears were confirmed when I opened it up. The rifle was straight-up snapped in two. The break is at a point where you can clearly tell the damage was not there in the photo they uploaded when they opened the return. They'd removed about half of the shredded paper I'd used to protect it, and put the item in the box the wrong way (it was a custom built box).
My understanding is that for regular returns, the buyer must send the item back in its original condition and the seller isn't required to refund if it's been damaged, but what about INAD cases where damage occurs on the way back? When it was just the one part broken off, I was prepared to repair the item and relist it and still at least get back the money I initially lost on the shipping, but now I doubt I'll be able to sell it at all. What should I do to maximize my chances of not losing my money?
11-04-2021 02:52 PM
Well since you have a no returns policy, you cant deduct anything from the refund for further damage by improper return shipping. I guess you can appeal after the case closes for how much good that will do.
11-04-2021 02:54 PM
Of course you just received it back. Halloween is over. They used it, then decide to send it back but made sure to REALLY damage it to try to call it return shipping damage.
You're not a TRS, no free returns, so ebay's "certain seller protection" doesn't exist for you.
Wouldn't stop me from trying though ..............
11-04-2021 02:56 PM - edited 11-04-2021 02:59 PM
Trying what? Should I open a chat with eBay or call a customer service number? I don't seem to have any other option on the return page. Would I have better luck opening a USPS claim, since the damage occurred during transit?
11-04-2021 03:00 PM
@cdmcl1138 wrote:Trying what? Should I open a chat with eBay or call a customer service number? I don't seem to have any other option on the return page.
No, you don't have any other option than to issue a full refund. Going forward, the only suggestion I'd make is that you revisit your Return policy. Sorry this happened to you... all we sellers empathize.
11-04-2021 03:05 PM
Not even filing a USPS claim? It was a priority label, so it should be covered for up to $50.
11-04-2021 03:11 PM
I would open a USPS claim, personally I think that's going to be your best hope. It never hurts to try and work with ebay, but unfortunately, ebay in general doesn't seem to be in the mood to help sellers out, no matter the case.
11-04-2021 03:18 PM - edited 11-04-2021 03:19 PM
@cdmcl1138 wrote:Not even filing a USPS claim? It was a priority label, so it should be covered for up to $50.
Yes, I'd file a USPS claim. My earlier reference was to 'what options you see on the return page'. Good luck.
11-04-2021 03:18 PM
The p.o. will want to see the packaging and if it was improperly packed, wont pay.
11-04-2021 03:24 PM
Should I try communicating with the buyer at all before asking eBay, maybe ask them to describe the condition of the item when they repackaged it for the return to prove that this damage isn't my fault? Or will none of that matter?
11-04-2021 03:46 PM
And to clarify for future reference since as much as I'd love to never sell on this godforsaken platform again, it's the only place I ever have much success: if I allow domestic returns on all my items, will that alone protect me if this kind of thing happens again, or do I also have to be a top-rated seller in order for eBay to even consider taking my side?
11-04-2021 04:00 PM
@cdmcl1138 wrote:Not even filing a USPS claim? It was a priority label, so it should be covered for up to $50.
Return labels don't carry any insurance.
11-04-2021 04:01 PM
@cdmcl1138 wrote:And to clarify for future reference since as much as I'd love to never sell on this godforsaken platform again, it's the only place I ever have much success: if I allow domestic returns on all my items, will that alone protect me if this kind of thing happens again, or do I also have to be a top-rated seller in order for eBay to even consider taking my side?
Well, eBay will take the buyer's side, no matter if a seller is Top Rated or not. Offering Free Returns (or being Top Rated with a 30-Day Return policy) gives the seller the ability to reduce the amount of the refund in such circumstances.
11-04-2021 04:02 PM
@cdmcl1138 wrote:Should I try communicating with the buyer at all before asking eBay, maybe ask them to describe the condition of the item when they repackaged it for the return to prove that this damage isn't my fault? Or will none of that matter?
It won't matter.
If you haven't refunded the buyer yet and you call CS, they'll refund the buyer from your account and give you a defect for not handling the refund.
11-04-2021 04:26 PM
Even Priority labels, which are all insured according to USPS? It looks the same to me but maybe there's some difference in the system.