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Promotion Manager Markdown Sale Delays - Follow Up To Weekly Chat 10/9/19

I posted in the weekly chat yesterday about an increasingly common issue we are running into with Markdown Sales where there is a delay between scheduled start and end times and actual start and end times.  @Anonymous  asked for some examples, so I'm starting this thread to provide examples and hopefully anyone else who is experiencing this issue can provide some examples as well.

 

This issue has been going on for months, but as far as examples, I'll start with some from yesterday.

 

Item 253490280974  - This markdown sale only had 9 items.  When I created it, I set the start time to "start now" at 1:02 PM Pacific Time.  You can see from the revision history that the sale didn't actually start until 1:23 PM Pacific Time. It may sound like I'm being really picky to complain about a 20 minute time difference, but when I asked about it in the chat, I was told "most of the time, these promotions will go live immediately", so I am giving an example of a situation where a sale with a relatively small number of items did not go live immediately.

 

Yesterday I also attempted to start a markdown sale that had 500 items in it.  That sale was scheduled to start at 11:30 AM Pacific Time and was scheduled to end at 11:30 PM Pacific Time.  The idea was to test a limited time "Flash Sale" to drive a sense of urgency and see if that resulted in a mid-week bump in sales (where we usually fall off during that time of week).

 

As far as I can tell, that markdown sale never actually started.  When I left the office last night at 5 PM Eastern (2 PM Pacific), it was still in "pending" status.  Out of curiosity, I checked a few of the items from home last night around 9 PM Eastern (6 PM Pacific), and none of them were showing the discount sale.  When I came in this morning, that markdown sale shows in Promotions Manager as "ended", so I can only assume it changed status at the scheduled "end" time, even though it never actually started.    Item Number 253567659047  would be an example of a product that was supposed to be included in that promotion and you can see from the revision history shows no markdown sale starting or ending on 10/9/2019

 

Just to test, I attempted to copy that promo into a new one to start this morning.  That was scheduled to start at 5:28 AM Pacific.  It is now 6:17 AM Pacific and the new one is still in "pending" status.

 

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Maybe brian@ebay or alan@ebay could help as well.

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@autopiacarcare wrote:

@autopiacarcare wrote:

As another test, I have copied a previous markdown sale, but instead of "start now", I have scheduled it for 5:30 AM Pacific today, which is in about 15 minutes.  I'll post results later.


This one is still "processing" as of 6:05 AM Pacific.  I forgot to mention that it has 358 items in it.


Still "processing" as of 8 AM Pacific.  I am going to end that one, give it a couple hours, and then try again with selecting the items individually instead of copying a previous sale.

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@autopiacarcare 

I am trying to start a new promotion.  Used select items and scheduled to start at 7:00 am.  As of now it is "Processing".  Only 1 variation listing in this promotion.

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New markdown promo created.  Same items, but selected individually this time instead of copying a previous sale.  Scheduled to start at 10 AM Pacific.

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I also have problems with this.
Thank you for raising this topic.
I thought I was doing something wrong.
9 out of 10 "Sale + Markdown" is always in the "Pending" status even after the expiration date.

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@autopiacarcare wrote:

New markdown promo created.  Same items, but selected individually this time instead of copying a previous sale.  Scheduled to start at 10 AM Pacific.


That one was scheduled for 10 AM Pacific and became "active" at 10:59 AM Pacific.  Still a bit of a delay, but it's at least manageable.

 

It could just be coincidence, but on the off chance it might help some of you, it seems like we are having the most luck from individually selecting products, rather than copying a previous sale, and from scheduling the start for 15-30 minutes after the sale creation rather than choosing the "start now" option.

 

Both of the markdown promos I have running now are scheduled to end at 11:30 PM Pacific on Sunday, so I'll let everyone know on Monday if they end on time or not.

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@autopiacarcare 

Thank you for the update.  

 

The promotion I set up this morning, with a scheduled start time of 7:30 am, finally started at 11:49.  The things we go through to try to increase sales Smiley Frustrated

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@autopiacarcare wrote:

Both of the markdown promos I have running now are scheduled to end at 11:30 PM Pacific on Sunday, so I'll let everyone know on Monday if they end on time or not.

Correction - With Monday being a holiday, we have extended the promos so they are now scheduled to end at 11:30 PM Pacific Monday night and I will update status on Tuesday.

 

That being said, I seriously hope either @Anonymous , brian@ebay or alan@ebay will pop in and participate in this thread at some point today because odds are with a holiday weekend they won't be around on Monday.  It would be extremely disappointing to go into next week's chat and not have had even an acknowledgement from them on this topic or any follow up with more details about what was meant about "site security" in regard to this issue.

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@autopiacarcare wrote:

I posted in the weekly chat yesterday about an increasingly common issue we are running into with Markdown Sales where there is a delay between scheduled start and end times and actual start and end times.  @Anonymous  asked for some examples, so I'm starting this thread to provide examples and hopefully anyone else who is experiencing this issue can provide some examples as well.

 

This issue has been going on for months, but as far as examples, I'll start with some from yesterday.

 

Item 253490280974  - This markdown sale only had 9 items.  When I created it, I set the start time to "start now" at 1:02 PM Pacific Time.  You can see from the revision history that the sale didn't actually start until 1:23 PM Pacific Time. It may sound like I'm being really picky to complain about a 20 minute time difference, but when I asked about it in the chat, I was told "most of the time, these promotions will go live immediately", so I am giving an example of a situation where a sale with a relatively small number of items did not go live immediately.

 

Yesterday I also attempted to start a markdown sale that had 500 items in it.  That sale was scheduled to start at 11:30 AM Pacific Time and was scheduled to end at 11:30 PM Pacific Time.  The idea was to test a limited time "Flash Sale" to drive a sense of urgency and see if that resulted in a mid-week bump in sales (where we usually fall off during that time of week).

 

As far as I can tell, that markdown sale never actually started.  When I left the office last night at 5 PM Eastern (2 PM Pacific), it was still in "pending" status.  Out of curiosity, I checked a few of the items from home last night around 9 PM Eastern (6 PM Pacific), and none of them were showing the discount sale.  When I came in this morning, that markdown sale shows in Promotions Manager as "ended", so I can only assume it changed status at the scheduled "end" time, even though it never actually started.    Item Number 253567659047  would be an example of a product that was supposed to be included in that promotion and you can see from the revision history shows no markdown sale starting or ending on 10/9/2019

 

Just to test, I attempted to copy that promo into a new one to start this morning.  That was scheduled to start at 5:28 AM Pacific.  It is now 6:17 AM Pacific and the new one is still in "pending" status.


Hi @autopiacarcare, thank you for providing examples. I've looked over what you shared here and don't see any indications of a technical issue; as we discussed in the Weekly Chat, most promotions do process immediately but some can take some time for us to re-index into the site. Since Markdown Manager is adjusting the price of the item that is visible in search, these items do need to go back through the indexing process that occurs when the item is first listed. In some instances this can take up to 24 hours to complete. A variety of factors contribute to the length of time that will pass from submission to when the listings or promotion are live on the site and I can confirm that what you are experiencing is within the range of normal experiences for this process.

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@autopiacarcare wrote:

@autopiacarcare wrote:

Both of the markdown promos I have running now are scheduled to end at 11:30 PM Pacific on Sunday, so I'll let everyone know on Monday if they end on time or not.

Correction - With Monday being a holiday, we have extended the promos so they are now scheduled to end at 11:30 PM Pacific Monday night and I will update status on Tuesday.

 

That being said, I seriously hope either @Anonymous , brian@ebay or alan@ebay will pop in and participate in this thread at some point today because odds are with a holiday weekend they won't be around on Monday.  It would be extremely disappointing to go into next week's chat and not have had even an acknowledgement from them on this topic or any follow up with more details about what was meant about "site security" in regard to this issue.


 I also hope one of the "Blues" pops in before the end of the day.   They usually are very responsive and helpful.

Have a great weekend! 

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@mcdougle4248 wrote:

@autopiacarcare 

Thank you for the update.  

 

The promotion I set up this morning, with a scheduled start time of 7:30 am, finally started at 11:49.  The things we go through to try to increase sales Smiley Frustrated


Well that blows a hole in my theory about scheduling working better than "start now". Smiley Frustrated

 

My other thought was possibly something to do with the timing of when they are scheduled.  It seems like the promos I have that get hung up for a long time are usually ones I try to start either first thing in the morning or just before I leave for lunch.

 

For example, the first one I tried this morning at 5:30 AM Pacific, that's early out on the West coast, but where we are on the East coast that's just about the time everyone is getting to work and getting the day started.  In the past when I've tried starting them at 12 PM Eastern, sometimes they still aren't active by the time I leave at 5 PM.  12 PM Eastern would be 9 AM Pacific, just about the time many people on the West coast are getting into the office.  I know those are broad generalities and I'm sure a lot of people don't go by a 9-5 kind of schedule, but I would bet at least a lot of bigger accounts that are being run by established, professional businesses do run things on a typical office schedule.

 

The one I started at 1:30 PM Pacific (4:30 PM Eastern) yesterday only took about 15 minutes to go active.  And the one I started today at 10 AM Pacific (1:00 PM Eastern) was just shy of an hour - not great but better than 4 or  5 hours.

 

Conversely, my ending times are usually scheduled for 11:30 PM Pacific, which I would guess might be a fairly popular time for people to schedule promos to end as it's the latest option, and many times it takes 5 or  6 hours past then for them to actually end.

 

If true, that would make this more of a technical limitation, ie. more activity than the servers can handle at certain peak times, but  in the weekly chat I was specifically told it was not a technical limitation and was instead most times related to "site security."

 

Now that I think about it....maybe those two ideas are not mutually exclusive.   Who knows all of the ways things on the back end at eBay may be connected? If too many promos trying to go live at once put a big load on the servers and caused them to crash or negatively impacted the operations of other parts of the platform in someway, that could certainly be considered a "site security" issue.  And if that were the case, limiting or throttling performance at peak times could be seen as being in the best interest of over all site security.

 

To be honest, I could understand the reasoning if that is what is going on here.  I wouldn't like it, and would still think that eBay can and should do better, but it would at least be understandable and would be a lot better than simply being shuffled off to a less visible section of the message boards with no answers.

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Hi @autopiacarcare, thank you for providing examples. I've looked over what you shared here and don't see any indications of a technical issue; as we discussed in the Weekly Chat, most promotions do process immediately but some can take some time for us to re-index into the site. Since Markdown Manager is adjusting the price of the item that is visible in search, these items do need to go back through the indexing process that occurs when the item is first listed. In some instances this can take up to 24 hours to complete. A variety of factors contribute to the length of time that will pass from submission to when the listings or promotion are live on the site and I can confirm that what you are experiencing is within the range of normal experiences for this process.


Thank you for responding @Anonymous  .  Can you please give me more detail about what you meant in the chat about it being related to site security?

 

 

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@Anonymous 

I ended this promotion a little while ago because it never became active, 30 hours in the "pending" status.

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I am having the same problem.  Started a promotion sale for the weekend at 12;46 it says it is still pending.  When it did not launch started another one thinking I had messed up something.  It now says processing but it was suppose to start about 30 minutes ago.  Glad I came here and figured out it was not just me.

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Hi @autopiacarcare, thank you for providing examples. I've looked over what you shared here and don't see any indications of a technical issue; as we discussed in the Weekly Chat, most promotions do process immediately but some can take some time for us to re-index into the site. Since Markdown Manager is adjusting the price of the item that is visible in search, these items do need to go back through the indexing process that occurs when the item is first listed. In some instances this can take up to 24 hours to complete. A variety of factors contribute to the length of time that will pass from submission to when the listings or promotion are live on the site and I can confirm that what you are experiencing is within the range of normal experiences for this process.


@Anonymous   -  I understand what you are saying and also understand that it can take time for the prices to index. That is nothing new and I think we all understand that is how the system has always worked and that sometimes we just need to be patient.


However, it seems that this issue has gotten worse in the last few months. While eBay may have always said it "may take 24 hours" for them to index, most of us had previously never experienced it taking anywhere near that long. So, what we are seeing may still fall within eBay's stated standard of "normal operations" (ie. it may take up to 24 hours), but the increased delays are not within the standard of normal operations many of us have experienced previously.

 

The reason I brought this up in the chat was that I have personally been experiencing this far more often and with much longer delays recently and I also have noticed recently that there have been more posts on the messages board about delays.  As you can tell from the replies here, other sellers are experiencing the worsening conditions as well.

 

Not to mention, as @mcdougle4248 pointed out, many people are reporting delays that exceed the 24 hour "range of normal experience".  Some people have said they have had sales that are stuck for days.  I don't believe this can or should be dismissed as just normal operating conditions.

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