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g-pa1
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I have a number of terminal joiners ready to put into my layout (eventually) and the thought came to me that I could stagger each terminal joiner. In other words put a terminal joiner on one end of an atlas snap track and on the opposite side put a regular joiner and thus stagger the terminal joiners individually around the track say every 2 feet or so. In other words one terminal joiner on the inside of a piece of track and two feet further up the track another terminal joiner on the outside of the track rather than being across from each other. Is this a good idea or do the terminal joiners have to be on opposite sides of the specific track section? Also how much distance should I allow to run two separate tracks next to each other. In other words a double track setup with two tracks running parallel to each other at one point. I am looking for the length of bridge span I would need to go over this distance.
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trmwf
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Gene, Technically they will work the same no matter how you space them. However, there could be some ramifications down the road. By alternating or staggering their placement theoretically when you get around to creating blocks you could have one of the feeds for a certain block located in the adjoining block. I do not see what you would gain by staggering them. If nothing else, think of the underneath side of the layout. If you keep them adjacent to each other, both wires will be hanging down in the same spot and easy to locate and trace in case of electrical trouble down the road. When you have two wires hanging down next to each other you can pretty well figure they are track feeds. When you have only one hanging down underneath the layout it is anybodys guess if it is a track feed, lighting, block control etc. They all tend to look similar from the underneath side. And like I said, what would you gain? I should know the proper spacing distance but I can't think of it. This probably isn't proper to the rivet counters but I usually just put the cork roadbed next to each other which gives me the necessary room and keeps them pretty much straight. You do have to watch this in curves as you need a little extra separation to allow for overhang. I'm sure someone here can give you the "official" recommended spacing. Don't forget you can use a longer bridge to span a shorter distance which gives you room to slope the terrain down at a gentler angle. The rest of the boys (and girls, sorry Dot) will be waking up and joining later so I'm sure you will be hearing lots of different theories on this. Mike
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Mike is in tune with my thoughts on the terminal joiner spacing. Why add to your troubles by staggering. I use different color wires for the pos and neg side of the tracks so I can tell which is which under the layout. I know the joiners are all black, but that doesn't prevent you from putting a colored tape on one pole or splicing in a different color wire now does it. The National Model Railroad Assn. (NMRA) has standards.I have combined several dimensions for ease of explanation here. N scale is as follows for track center dimensions: Straight: 1-3/16" suggested; 1-1/32 minimum Curves: Sharp (10" to 13") 1-1/4" Medium (14" to 19") 1-1/8" Large (20" and up) 1-3/16" These are centers remember. Just think of the Atlas snap bridges which are available. They will cross a double track arrangement easily and they are 5" long. Once the bridge piers are put in place under them you will have about 3-1/2 clearance. Plenty for two tracks. Pete
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Pete Thanks for the information for main lines, but I will add an additional question to the mix. What is the dimensions between tracks in a rail yard or would that depend on the yard itself. Questioning minds want to know (mainly me). I think it could depend on the need to unload the cars and for maintenance they maybe a little farther apart to allow for vehicle traffic of sorts. Please old wise one let me know what you think. And I DO LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR ANSWER. As like myself we do not necessarily think about this as we lay down our track and the rivet counters laugh. Lou awaiting the great ones answer.
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Sure make me work. You really should invest in a good N scale ruler. Tracks in yards should be on 13' centers (1-1/8"). This gives about 6' between cars on the tracks. If you can imagine a yard with just tracks and no concrete or other surfaces between the tracks, all the tracks are 13' on center. Now imagine a yard with concrete loading docks between them for towmotors and baggage carts and trucks. These yards are usually set up in the following arrangement. 1 track-service dock-2 tracks-service dock-2 tracks-service dock-1 track. Get the idea? One track on each outside and two tracks between the concrete service docks so it can service two sides or two tracks. Now these are set in the following overall arrangement in terms of feet wide: 13' (1 track)-16' (concrete)-24' (2 tracks)- 16' (concrete)- 24' (2 tracks)-16' (concrete)-13' (1 track). Or 1"- 1-3/16"- 1-13/16"- 1-3/16"- 1-13/16"- 1-3/16"- 1". Draw it out for yourself. You will see what I mean. Next question? Pete
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I've seen a lot of people leave enough room to get their fingers between cars as they sit on the main line or in the yard. This allows more ease in working with derailed cars and such. I feel it takes up too much room in the yard and stick to Pete's spacing. Bill in Phoenix
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I totally agree with Pete, in that the NMRA standards force manufacturers to comply, if they want to sell their items to the serious hobbyists. So, in a way, I'm glad the "rivet counters" ARE out there, I'm just not one of them. That being said, I learned a lot from this thread alone! I now know how to "properly" set up a yard. 1-dock-2-dock-1 ought to get the job done on little layout. HOWEVER, I'm NOT going to "measure" anything with precision. I'll just make sure they don't bump into each other! :-) Marc
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Marc, Hickory Dickory Dock. Three mice ran up the clock. The clock struck one, The other two escaped with minor injuries. 1-dock-2-dock-2-dock-1 Gramps
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Pete, Remember, I am a small radii kind of guy. I wrote 1-dock-2-dock-1 because I think that's all I'll have room for! Marc Did you here the joke about the doctor who loved Dacquiris?
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Hickory Dickory Dacquiri Doc FL
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trmwf
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I am just kind of the opposite. I believe the industry would have found their niche without people telling them what size to make this and what color that needs to be and when you make this bridge be sure it is this long as that is how long most real bridges are and on and on. One mfg starts with an idea and developes the product line. If the others want part of the market they automatically make their products to the same scale or they just don't sell much. The Idealist
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You have a point Mike, but isn't it nice that all locomotives run in the same direction since the NMRA convinced the manufacturers to use the right hand rule of polarity? And imagine the early days of so many different types of couplers produced on each manufacturer's product. Nothing could be coupled together unless you physically changed them yourself. The NMRA again convinced mfgs. to use the Rapido coupler on all cars. Sure made it easy for the beginning modeler. And now the NMRA has helped set DCC standards so that different systems will work together. I will agree with you that the "operational and measurement" standards are for the nit-pickers and not for me either, but I appreciate the mechanical standards that have been established. Pete
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trmwf
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I'll concede to that but am holding my ground on the rest. Mike
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We are saying the same thing here Mike. I used to belong to the NMRA just to get their magazine, but that went out the window when the membership fee doubled a few years ago. I never went to one meeting or had any contact with any other NMRA members. That is why I am a loner too. I really do not need any rivet counters to tell me how to run my own RR. I still have their reference material though. Sometimes it comes in handy as does the clearance gauge for N, HO and On30 that I use. Other than that, the NMRA is pretty useless. Oh they do put on meets. Another thing I do not attend. Pete
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Bumping this thread up because there is a lot of dimensional info here that we haven't discussed in a while and some newer members might learn from it. B-)
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