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Progress report #2

I locked the other thread. There is some good stuff in there that probably has been reposted in other threads. I'll check. In the meantime, here's another place to write. B-)
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Charles has submitted some pics in two albums. ]:)
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Yea, now I gota make some railroad-y progress... All this track spiking posted here and me organizing some of my old eBay photos where there is more storage is making me really eager to get something done... Boy it is nice to be out of the basement bathroom dungeon!!! like (if this works): Otherwise: http://cid-e11b13ec6107fb9b.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Railroad/Model%20Railroading/GC%5E0C... Thanks, Charles
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I have made some progress on my Narrows Park rendition. I have almost finished the drawing of the Casino building. I have located the Casino, passenger platforms and streetcar loop on a Google map. Locating the structures and loop with reasonable accuracy has been slow process. Puzzling over the available photos and various era USGS maps. I have put together an N scale arrangement of track with the Cumberland Electric Railway coming in from the left to the loop, and from the loop to the right the Cumberland and Westernport Electric Railway. The Georges Creek and Cumberland Railroad goes across the top, and the Cumberland and Pennsylvania Railroad on two tracks across the bottom (they are part of a passing siding or industrial area or something. This is full-to-scale side to side, but compressed 50% top to bottom. The elevation change from the 700' to 800' mark is then just 50' not 100'. I am going to try some different things though before I decide anything. I have posted a couple related images when they are cleared (I hope..). All the best, Charles
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Charles, your pics are approved, enjoy ]:)
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Barry, thanks! I made some other progress today, solved (I think...) another long standing mystery. I have not been able to figure out the gasoline brand shown on the water tank for the Byzantine Gas Station from Cumberland many years ago (middle left of photo): http://www.ci.cumberland.md.us/new_site/histphotos/browse.cfm?pic=688 I have done tons of searches in the past, but today I convinced myself that the logo had to be some king of eagle. So after a few searches I finally stated stumbling across this stuff: This first one was my first find that really seems to match! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170643201738 some others: http://royal400.8m.com/redhat.htm http://cgi.ebay.com/TRI-STAR-RED-HAT-GASOLINE-GAS-OIL-PUMP-GLOBE-SIGN-/150524300719?pt=LH_DefaultDom... So hot-dag, my Byzantine Gas Station was at one point a Red Hat Gasoline brand station, independent oil, gasoline & motor oil! (Whatever that is!!) To bad we can't buy gas at 1920 prices! Charles
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I have put the logo I edited to good use and added the water tower the the gas station: http://groups.ebay.com/message.jspa?messageID=1512387042&rw=true&anticache=1307231834402 Now back to Narrows Park... Charles
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I started today of tearing up one of my yards.  When I get done, there won't be one piece of original track from Nova Scotia as I have revised other sections last fall.  This time around, I won't start ballasting track until I am happy with layout.  I thought the unimaginable, I might just venture out into the recroom along a wall for a storage yard about 8 inches wide and 10 feet long  😄

It would be nice length of yard for storing my coal trains.

 

Yesterday I bought some cork and flex track and some new lumber. I'll try to salvage what I can but better safe than sorry having spare lumber on hand.

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How about a goofy bracket:

Wooden Hopper 1897 Corner Bracket

 

I cooked it up from studying wooden hopper photos like this one:

http://einhornpress.com/images/CONSOL-3%20LNG%20COAL%20CAR.bmp

from this site:

http://einhornpress.com/ConsolidationCoalCompany.aspx

 

It is related to my coal railroads in my area of interest, and these would have rumbled past Narrows Park.  I am drawing up the hopper for an experiment with Shapeways in 3D printing.

 

The bracket will just be a little blip on the N scale model, but I drew it full scale to see if I could get a better understanding of what I thought I saw in the photos.

 

All the best,

Charles

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Well I finally did it. I weathered two cars for George's layout. A set of two gons. Now if I can only get the pictures to post, you guys can see them. I have never weathered before, so I'll be glad to receive any suggestions.

B-)

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The pictures are in the attached albom.

 

 

Good work Pete on your first WX'ing attempt. It's one of those things that's easy to catch on to.

Gon on the right looks good. Ok, Both are actually good, left one looks like it worked in a steel mill as they get the rusty orange look from the heat/chemicals/air.

 

However, when doing rust, avoid the brighter orange rust color (powder,chalk,etc)  Darker rust orange,browns and black work best. Older rust  becomes brown and black.  Best part of WX'ing a car is it takes a lot of effort to really botch the job. You can either wipe it clean and start over or  work in layers. It's easy to add a new layer to cover a portion of something you aren't happy with.  Rust splotches take some time perfecting and building up. (I've dabbed a small bit of CA glue and scuffed with sanding stick  to get that rough scaley look after the brown/black paint added.

 

The next challenge to WXing is getting the lettering to take on worn,faded,chipped effect.

 

Usually takes several layers to produce the finished product. I've yet to apply a single weathering session and get the final product.  I think Pelle Soeborg says the same thing in his book.  "Done in a Day" is an excellent investment, If it isn't the weathering you have an issue with, it was worth seeing his method of doing something that you may have figured on your own or have a easier/better way.

 

Best advise is to take photos of WX'ed cars in a yard and note the patterns rust and wear/tear take on. Most cylinderical hopper cars weather in the same fashion, gons usually get banged up in a similar manner of other gons.  Covered hoppers (square sided style- PS2 hoppers) rust and fade the same as each other.  You usually won't see rusticle?  (rust icycle) on a tank car, nor will you see the top half form a faded rust blend on a boxcar like you see on cylinder hopper.

 

Last is the travelling effects of WXing, not sure what else to call it, the weathing effect on a car from rolling along tracks for a period....spray kicked up from wheels,  dust that gets blown up against the end walls, grease/oil/rust/dust accumulation around couplers and doors and trucks.

 

I enjoy doing general body weathering and rust and fade, but find the ends too tedious with respect to wheel spray.

 

Very last which some may be against but it is part of RRing, and that is grafitti. I hate the gang symbols and the stupid stuff like initials, gang stuff repeated along the length of car. I have some leniency towards murals.

 

Sorry for so lengthy but it is something I had fun in contributing to group for a change.  When I get some time I will post some pics of my weathered cars.

Hope you try some more cars Pete. You will have fun on the next one.  Then get brave and do a loco. It is worth the effort and adds to realism when you have dirty and/or old rusty cars in the fleet as opposed to a string of shiny cars.

-- Edited by dl85vette at 08/17/2011 7:51 PM PDT
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The one on the left was done with rust colored paint on the ribs and then I covered it with dullcote as a base for Bar Mills weathering powders. I used mostly the yellow, dark red and black powders.

 

The right one was done using Micro-Mark's "Rust n Dust" system of powder suspensions. You start with a light brown wash, then a black wash followed by a clear setting solution to which you sprinkle on a very fine powder that looks like dirt if left alone and grime if you smear it around.

 

I now have a set of Doc O'Brien's powders for the next project. There are 12 colors in this set. A much broader selection than the 4 from Bar Mills.  I think I like the powders better than the liquids.

 

BTW, I did do the wheel splash on the ends of the cars. You just can't see it in the pictures. Now to find another car to destroy.......

 

I'll have to practice a lot more before I do any of my own cars and engines though.

😛

 

PS: I used a soldering gun to dent and bend the car sides. These two cars are meant for the salvage yard on George's layout.

-- Edited by ginzokid at 08/18/2011 4:30 AM PDT

-- Edited by ginzokid at 08/18/2011 4:33 AM PDT
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I've seen an article where they cut the panels out between the ribs and replace them with thin brass sheets which they hammered dents outwards to give that realistic dented bulges that a lot of gons have. I've yet to try heating those areas and bulge out on N scale.

 

 

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I tried to bend out the sides by heating them with the soldering iron, but they melted before I could do the actual bending. I think maybe I'll try to hold the car over a flame to soften it a bit or over the soldering gun, then push it out from the inside. Don't want to overdo it though, except for one that maybe belongs in the bone yard itself instead of working it.

B-)

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Hot water is usually the best way to bend plastic, just put the car in a bowl of boiled water, when it softens you can push it any way you want, I haven't used this on any trains but when I was customizing 25th scale cars I used the hot water trick to flair guards and put power bulges in bonnets(hoods) on quite a few cars, worth a try, nothing ventured nothing gained.

 

]:)

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I'll try that but as you know, railroad car sides are a lot thicker than model cars. I'll let you know how it works the next time I do a gon or hopper. Right now I'm working on a few box cars.

B-)

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