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I'm going to mirror Dave's discussion here as it is a good question. There are many ways to do it and there has been a lot printed on it too. I do suggest a little research and experimentation on your part to see with which method you are most comfortable. I have done it three ways. 1: Paint the plywood base with acrylic paints to look like water, dark blue to black in the middle and lighter as you approach the banks which are then painted earth tones. "Plant" (glue) rocks, old tires, stumps, WS reeds and grass and whatever you feel you want in the water. Then use Envirotex Lite resin to cover it all. Pour it in per the instructions. You can make rough water by brushing the surface before it sets to pick up little wave crests. Plant your boats before it sets too. This is a simplification of my preferred method. 2: Do everything above, but use the WS Realistic Water instead. The old WS water pellets that you melted in a tin can were very yellow when set. I'm glad they came up with the new formula. The WS Water Effects are great for falls and rapids and other places where the surface is not level. 3: Use a fluorescent light ceiling fixture acrylic diffuser, paint it blue, and call it a lake. You can't see through it, but it is good for distant background use. You can plant weeds and rocks on top. 4: A bonus method. I have not done this but have seen water made by just using acrylic paints built up over the background. Start with colors and finish up with clear sealer to give the surface a wet look. It will be interesting to see what shows up in the other group. My best advice as always is to read, experiment and do what you are comfortable with. Anybody else have more water ideas? Fearless Leader
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PS: See page 40, July 2004 issue of Model Railroader for a great article with pictures that shows basically my method #1 and #2. Fearless Leader
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trmwf
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All I ever tried was the old WS "yellow" pellets on a couple of small ponds and drainage ditch. Turned out OK at the best. You are right Pete, I probably should have practiced elsewhere but at least it was only a couple of small areas. Does the new formula have to be melted also or is it a pour direct from the bottle method? One of the problems I remember having with it was that it seemed to cool off and stiffen up pretty darn quick and remember telling myself that the next time I was going to warm up the surface being worked on with a hairdryer or something hopoing to buy a little more time. Mike
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I would like to recommend the book: "How to Build Realistic Model Railroad Scenery" By Dave Frary. Kalmbach Publishing Walthers #400-12100 $18.95 He outlines, in easy to follow detail, the methods Pete described above plus many more. The book is filled with a lot of detailed advice suitable for all scales. Also worth a look is The New Scenery Tips & Techniques" Kalmbach Walthers # 400-12243 $18.95 A compilation from articles in Model Railroader magazine. I have not attempted to "make water" on my layout yet. The ponds, lake, Moose meadows, streams, waterfalls are all in place but I have some experimenting to do before I commit the Resin. Pete, I've been told that the WS pellets would pull away from objects and even the sides of the shore as it dries, cools, and cures. That might be the experience with the old "yellowing" formula. Have you had this experience with the new stuff? I've also been told that some of the resins and even Envirotex will "creep" up objects and the shore (the opposite of WS pellets) What is your experience with that problem and any advice how to solve it? Fred - all wet
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WS new water just pours. I still think I like the Envirotex Lite better though. Seems to be clearer. The old WS pellets were a nightmare to be sure and usually came out with a yellowish cast. With the Envirotex you can add a coloring if you want to or leave it clear. And I have experienced creep with all the resin products. My "hide it" method is to touch up foliage or add more sand, rocks, etc. to cover the creep. The Dave Frary book is my bible although I sent it to Ernie. Now I just do it from memory. Hey, check out my post in answer to a new question on group #1 re: track cleaning cars. Pete
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Is Envirotex an LHS type product? I've never seen it....I've never shopped for it, actually. Marc
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Hi, just dropped in again. I've been doing a lot of research online for work and it's just too easy to take a break and see what's up in these discussions. I gotta cut down!!! I read your answer post in the old group. I talked to John at Aztec last week. What a really helpful guy. I love a business where you talk to the head person on the phone! He's the one that pointed out the Aztecs on ebay!! I called him initially because he had made a hopper car of one of my favourite micro-breweries "Steam Whistle". They are the ones who are now occupying the old CP passenger loco Roundhouse at the base of the CN tower and Skydome in Toronto. A fellow out my way recommended an Eliminater with a Cratex roller followed by a Trackstar ($39.95) with a canvas roller soaked in fluid followed by another Trackstar with a dry canvas roller to wipe up any residue. That's a big investment and I just wanted to hear of any problems before I ordered my "clean-up" train. I'll keep the Roco to use within the regular trains. I'm answering you here because I don't feel comfortable rambling away in the old forum at the moment. It feels as though I've had my wrists slapped but I found it a little scary that someone in the group actually voted for the first option in my poll. Fred - I've been told... P.S. I looked over my question post in the other forum and realized that, because of the small print, It looks like I wrote "D a m"! Actually I wrote D a r n . I hope I don't p*ss someone off with that. I'm getting paranoid. This too shall pass... ... Like the WATER, which is what we're going back to talking about here!! :-)
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No Fred, That was surely a darn. Wouldn't dare use a damn over there again. We are up to 12 now. I wish we could get some new blood, but I'm glad you guys are here. Three Aztec cars sounds like over-kill really. you did read my post on cleaning cars I hope. Marc, Envoritex Lite is usually found in Craft Stores, maybe the hardware store. In the craft store you will find that you can get coloring agents to put in it like blues and reds and my favorite for making water......beer! I'm old. I can talk about water from experience. Bill is just glad to be making it at all these days.....Hi, Bill. Envoritex Lite does not have the obnoxious smell of some of the other 2 part resins. But I think that once you try the new WS pourable water, you will stick with it. Pete the Camel of the Desert
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I have a BUNCH of beer related jokes for this topic heading, but I do NOT want to incur the wrath of "His Prudence; Da Godfadda" I'm gonna try this WS product (maybe) this weekend on my little practice layout. (See separate discussion) Mr. Breeze
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I have a brewery to build for the new N scale and a small consist of beer cars left just for that purpose. Has anyone ever actually tried real running water? When I had my HO layout I had a water wheel that was self contained with a little pool and water pump that ran over the water wheel of a small mill, down a stream and back up to the spring bubbling out of the mountain top. Anybody remember that one? I wonder if it is still made. I had to check. It is still made by Faller. Wow. Talk about nostalgia. Could it be modified for N or On30? Pete
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trmwf
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Pete, Did you have any trouble with the real water as far as humidity, rust, leaks etc. Also did it look as real as the fake water? I've heard that it don't look as good. Mike
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Mike, That's a good one! I tried to convince the misses that CZ is actually nicer, and has more sparkle than a real diamond! Wish I could say she believed me! CJ The Z~Man
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trmwf
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ZZZZZ-man Mine wouldn't buy in to CZ bit either. Mike
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John just brought this discussion up to date with his realistic method of getting water on the layout. And all it took was a little monkeying around with a pool float. Sorry. I couldn't resist. 😉 ;\ :D Pete
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Pete, Yeah, the one that is left which is the right one is doing a very good job. I get the stone in the right one which is left blasted on the 26th of this month. Worked with real water once and I think the fake stuff looks better. Plus, you can do rapids and such that look realistic and even waterfalls that stay in place and no splashing on items in the area. Bill in Phoenix
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