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g-pa1
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I know about headlights and ditch lights and FREDs (sorry Fred) but what the heck is a Mars light and who from Mars would want to see it? Gene
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trmwf
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Gene, There are two different lights that are referred to as mars lights. Somewhere back in time, 40's and 50's on in to the early 60's some railroads equipped their loco's with an oscillating headlight that actually moved like a figure eight. In some circles they were referred to as mars lights and there basic intent was to make them more visible as it appeared the light was flashing as it moved around. In later days and suppose there are still some out there somewhere, some railroads started putting a flashing or rotating yellow light on top of the cabs of their engines. These were also called mars lights and again the purpose was for increased visibility. prof
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It must be my ego but I actually enjoy hearing the term FRED used for end of train devises. I might even model one even though I'm doing transition era. I think I've seen the flashing lights on the yard switchers at the Ford plant in Oakville. Though it might have been a real light from MARS on a UFO? What does FRED stand for? (I know, I know, Do I take a stand on anything!?I'm that Canadian fence sitter) Is it Freight Rail End of train Device? Easy enough for me to look it up but I just wanted to put in that joke about what I stand for... wasn't really worth it was it. EOTDG (End of Train Device Guy)
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In the 80s and 90s, Life-Like actually had simulated mars lights in their HO scale E7 and E8 locos. It was done with a flashing LED affair. B-)
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Fred, I forgot to answer you. A FRED is a Flashing Rear End Device. A FRED is one kind of EOT. End of Train device. Leaves a lot of room for you to come up with some snappy come backs on that one. Does your rear end flash at times? Maybe we shouldn't go there just now....... B-)
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I had a girl friend around 1980 that (evidently) had a FRED! I found out she was shining it when I wasn't around! X-( NOT a pretty ending....... Mr. Breeze
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Was it a two cell or three cell flashlight? B-)
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Doesn't the FRED also signal the MARY in the cab the condition of the train? Punk
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trmwf
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Punk, Have never heard the term MARY before. Assume you are talking about the device on the engine. On the NS everything is referred to simply as EOT's (FRED) and HOT's for Head End Device. Technically, all a train needs is a marker of some type on the rear to signify that this is the end of the train. It can be as simple as a red flag during the day or a battery operated red light at night. The current technology allows the EOT to transmit the air pressure and indicates if the rear of the train is moving or stopped. Each EOT is numbered and has its' own frequency. The EOT number has to be dialed in on the HOT and then it will search for and locate the signal from the EOT. Once the signals locate each other a button must be pushed on the EOT and the HOT simultaneously to obtain what is referred to as a "link". This is a newer and very important feature that allows the engineer to place the rear of the train in emergency. Prior to this innovation, outsiders had closed the angle cocks which effectively bottles the air and cut the train which would allow the rear of the train to become a run-away with no method available to stop it. Now if the engineer notices that the rear end is either not moving while he is or is moving while he is not or begins to travel at a different speed he can stop it by applying the brakes via a "panic button". I know the NS had one run-away situation and the UP had at least two which pointed out the need for the newer technology. I know this was not really necessary as we do not mess much with air brakes etc in N scale but thought you might find it interesting as to some of the reasoning behind the EOT/HOT setup. prof
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Thank you Prof. Very informative. Now I want Doug to explain who or what the MARY is..... B-)
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Multiple Available Ready Youngladies ]:) Mr. B.
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g-pa1
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Hey prof very interesting thanks. Do all EOT lights reside on the caboose of a freighter. Passenger trains have no caboose so do they also have to make sure that there is an EOT of some sort? Gene
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trmwf
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Gene, Not for sure what you are saying when referring to EOT lights on the caboose. We are basically talking about the device that RR's went to when they did away with the caboose. With that said, Federal law requires a light on the rear of every train between one hour before sundown and one hour after sun up. Railroad law requires that "every" train has to have a "marker" to indicate the rear of the train. A caboose does not necessarily mean the entire train has passed as one could theoretically be shipped to another location for repairs, modifying, shortages etc. This rule is to protect local crews and MofW employees who are waiting for a train to pass before entering or fouling the main line to do work. As they inspect the passing train they must look for the marker on the rear car. If they see a marker then they know the train is past and will not be returning and can go to work. If they do not see a marker then the train has not technically passed them and the portion of the train they saw go by might be returning, say after setting out a defective car or a block of misrouted cars at the next location. These are all old rules from days gone by prior to modern communication systems but the railroads have decided to leave them in affect in case of communication failures. Lives are at stake and the railroads ALWAYS go for the most restrictive of the choices available as there is no room for error. Since passenger trains have people involved they are even more restrictive with special rules just for them. For instance, after leaving a station, a passenger train must make a "running" brake test. Without an EOT device to signal the decrease of air pressure on the rear car the engineer would have no way of knowing if the brakes worked on the rear car or not so I would have to say that a passenger train would have to have some sort of telemetry device nowadays. In the old days they of course always had marker lights and plenty of crew members to see to the compliance of all the rules. They communicated with each other and the engineer thru a "signal cable" that ran thru every car to the engine. prof
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Prof In "The Tales of The Krug" photo essays in one of the cab shots he refers to the telemetry box as a "mary". This is on the BNSF. Punk ps: Good one Marc!
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trmwf
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Punk, That could very well be as all railroads have their own lingo and this is broken down further in to local expressions and slang. The BN used to refer to their engines as motors. On the NS, former NKP property they were called units while the former Wabash area referred to them simply as engines and the original N&W bunch referred to them as power. Just like cabooses, cabin cars, way cars, cabs. It just depends on what RR you are listening to. Then there are the model rr guru's who refer to a turnout as a turnout when out in the real world they are simply called switches and switches are thrown not lined unless you are a dispatcher or an operator then the switch or route is lined. A multi-level is an auto rack and a TOFC/COFC is always a pig regardless of wether there are trailers or containers or it is empty. A well car is a spine car unless it is a single unit then it is still a pig. A dimensional load is a high-wide even though it may not be high and just wide or not wide and just high or perhaps it could be neither high or wide and still be called a high-wide just because it is restricted as far a train placement goes such as a triple load of poles or steel beams that are loaded in a gon or flat car and over-hang on to an idler car which brings us to cover cars to bury ................ prof
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