Just want confirmation from Coach experts that this is counterfeit

[coach_purse-oot]

I just received this and would love the experts' to confirm. Thanks so much.

[albertabrightalberta · Accepted solution]

Definitely fake and cannot be sold.

If you bought it, return for refund!

[coach_purse-oot]

Thanks so much, Alberta and I shall! 🙂

[tbear41]

It is a genuine Coach Willis bag. May I ask why you think it is fake?

[coach_purse-oot]

Incorrect hardware, wrong country code, weird-looking leather, wrong color thread, wrong creed font. Everything about it is wrong.

[coach_purse-oot]

I already got a refund and the seller said I could keep the bag but insists it's authentic. Hmmmm.

[albertabrightalberta]

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@tbear41 wrote:

It is a genuine Coach Willis bag. May I ask why you think it is fake?

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No, @tbear41. The bag isn't authentic. 

The OP was originally correct in her suspicions and I confirmed. 

There are many problems with the bag. The hardware is incorrect, the back of the female part of the turnlock is wrong, the font/text/serial number are wrong for the era of the bag, the padding on the front of the bag is wrong.....

The list of problems goes on. The bag is fake and the OP should get a full refund.

[albertabrightalberta]

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@coach_purse-oot wrote:

I already got a refund and the seller said I could keep the bag but insists it's authentic. Hmmmm.

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I posted before reading that you'd already gotten your refund. That's good but if the seller insists that the bag is authentic, she's bound to make more mistakes and risks getting her account dinged. 

[fashionclubgurl]

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@tbear41 wrote:

It is a genuine Coach Willis bag. May I ask why you think it is fake?

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That purse is a complete and obvious fake, for all the reasons Alberta and the OP already mentioned.

PLEASE LET THE ACTUAL AUTHENTICATION EXPERTS HANDLE THE AUTHENTICATION QUESTIONS. Thank you.

[tbear41]

Wow, what an attitude! Is it necessary to be like that? I've sold Coach for years and see nothing off about this Willis bag. It is a genuine older piece. You could not be more wrong.

[tbear41]

I disagree. We will just have to disagree with each other. I stand by my opinion and it is based on what I see here and what I know from over the many years. This is an older Willis bag but I won't argue with you anymore. I feel bad that the seller lost her money though. I use to be on these boards for a very long time and helped authenticate many bags over time, many different brands. It looks like nobody is around here anymore though, sad but things change over time. I'll stick to facebook, there's a really great friendly group there! Regards.

[pageka-2007]

I have been buying vintage coach bags for several years also. And it certainly looks like the real deal to me too.

[albertabrightalberta]

@tbear41 and @pageka-2007

Unfortunately, you are both wrong and because you're unwilling to learn and both insist that this quite obvious fake is genuine, my guess is that as Coach sellers, you both will also list a fake. (ATM, tbear41's Coaches are authentic. I can't say the same for pageka-2007!)

Give me a few minutes and I'll post pictures showing you very obvious differences between the OP's fake and a genuine Willis from the P plant. 

[coach_purse-oot]

I've had my hands on hundreds of vintage Coaches over the past 10 years or so as well as studied the Coach authenticity guides  (by Hyacinth for Salearea) and I knew right away and without a doubt, that this bag was fake.  The easiest tell is that the country code is wrong. "P" denotes that it was made in Costa Rica but the creed says the United States. And that's just one thing that's wrong. The counterfeiters try their best to make an exact replica but as I've learned from albertabrightalberta and fashionclubgurl and others on other purse forums, they always get something wrong. Some are scarily good fakes but fake nonetheless. Maybe if you could hold the actual bag, you'd be better able to tell that it's fake. 

I gotta say, too, that even after all these years of handling old Coaches, I'm still learning about creed fonts and hardware and stitching, etc. There's a lot of information out there and so much to learn!

I wish you the best. 

[pageka-2007]

Wow you are very rude.