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mommamurfe60 · ‎04-25-2020

Hi, I need help to figure out what these are. I thought at first that they were 2 of the immortals. But the vases in their hands are the same. The imortals that I have seen have different items. The mark is a mark from 1796-1820. They are 20" high and the base is 5"×5". Any info will hel. Thanks.

sonomabarn67 · ‎04-25-2020

The brown stain/paint applied to the base does not mean they are from when the marks say.

maxine*j · ‎04-25-2020

Emperor and Empress figurines.

You do realize that nearly all these reign marks are fake. Your is probably from the 1960s or 1970s, out of Macau, per Gotheborg:
https://gotheborg.com/marks/20thcenturychina.shtml

In any event, it is impossible to actually authenticate from photographs, but it is highly unlikely that these are actually very old, charming as they are.

mommamurfe60 · ‎04-25-2020

I don't think it's paint. Thanks

maxine*j · ‎04-25-2020

@mommamurfe60 wrote:
I don't think it's paint. Thanks

Whatever it is, it's common on porcelain items are are new but made to appear to be old.

sonomabarn67 · ‎04-25-2020

Let me re-phrase then, they are fakes, meant to fool and deceive. If you sell them on ebay as being original and the buyer has them appraised you will be liable to return the money and, it will be a black mark on your account.

mommamurfe60 · ‎04-25-2020

These are the reproductions.

Pair of Chinese Porcelain Famille Rose 18" Statues by Hill Auction Gallery - 1432833 | Bidsquare
https://www.bidsquare.com/online-auctions/hill-auction-gallery/pair-of-chinese-porcelain-famille-ros...

argon38 · ‎04-25-2020

Have you checked out the Gotheborg link provided by Maxine? Scroll down to 'Jiaqing' mark, six character, single frame, 1965 or later and you will find your mark:

https://gotheborg.com/marks/macaustyle.shtml

They have decorative value and can legitimately be sold as such, but they are not antiques.

mommamurfe60 · ‎04-25-2020

Thanks for the imput.

maxine*j · ‎04-25-2020

I think you are convinced these are old, and nothing said here will change that, so you should put them in the hands of the Asian arts experts at Christie's, Sotheby's, or Bonham's.

Christie's, Sotheby's, and Bonham's all give their opinions for free. It can take awhile. but it is worth the wait. Go to their respective websites to learn how to submit photos and information about your items to them.

You would not want to attempt to sell the real thing yourself, as that woud be far too risky in the wild world of Asian arts.

mommamurfe60 · ‎04-25-2020

I'm not convinced that they're real. That's why I am asking here and have done hours of research on them. Submitting to those auction houses is a good ideal and I have submitted items to them in the past. It is a good way to find out for sure. If you see my feedbacks you should know that I would never try and sell a fake as real. These are nice quality porcelain figures and I also wanted to know what they are and what the sybolism represents. Just so I can continue my education

Thanks for the info.

mommamurfe60 · ‎04-25-2020

Oh by the way If they were real? I wouldn't hesitate to sell them on my ebay site. I am fearless.

sonomabarn67 · ‎04-25-2020

"That's why I am asking here and have done hours of research on them"

Years of research would be better.

" Submitting to those auction houses is a good ideal....... It is a good way to find out for sure."

Auction houses make mistakes too. For many years many top-tier forgers have run their wares thru auctions and many dealers buy from auction houses. Many estates end up at auctions. And so on.

maxine*j · ‎04-25-2020

@mommamurfe60 wrote:
I'm not convinced that they're real. That's why I am asking here and have done hours of research on them...

Besides emperor and empress figurines, I assume you looked at so-called "Ho Ho boys" (or "Ho-Ho boys") who are often depicted as holding vases. I also assume you looked at the mark on Gotheborg and decided yours is not a match.

Anyhow, good luck with them.