10-24-2021 08:32 PM - last edited on 10-27-2021 10:09 AM by kh-ornesh
I lost an auction today that I have held the high bid for THREE STINKING DAYS. Also I wasn't near my max bid. With ONE MINUTE left this **bleep** with a 4 feedback rating comes in bids enough to hit my max. Then bids ONE DOLLAR over my max to win and with no time for me to rebid. I saw another auction site that combated sniping by add 5 minutes to the auction if someone bid with a minute or less left in the auction. I don't remember how many times they would do it. Here's my idea: Add five minutes anytime there is a bid or bids in the last two minutes of the auction. Also add "Snip-bot" detection software as well as bans for serial snipers.
What do y'all think of my idea? Tell me. Right I am seething over this, the seller isn't answering my message, and I reported it to Ebay who agreed it looked extremely suspicious and are going to investigate. However the Ebay rep. said the sniper has already paid for the item. GRRR. >.<
10-26-2021 07:06 AM
Ebay buyers are used to the way things are. I, and many others would just not bother with auctions any longer if that happened. It's bad enough I have to wait 7 days to find out if I won, it would be worse if I had to wait 7 or maybe 8, or maybe 9, or maybe 10...
10-26-2021 07:29 AM
@juicydrupes wrote:I'm also surprised eBay hasn't offered the soft close. It obviously favors the house/seller
I think eBay understands that it wouldn't favor eBay. Your belief that it favors the seller is incorrect.
10-26-2021 08:02 AM
@juicydrupes exactly.
Everyone commenting on my post that soft endings don't work clearly have not been paying attention the rest of the internet. This is the way almost all auctions end now either online or in person.
Yes, people come to the end. No they don't last all night and if they did that means bids are coming in and the price is going up.
The Yahoo example is like 20 years old before most of the auction business moved online.
eBay's ending method is very much the exception to industry standard and doesn't work effectively as it once did. Those of us who buy at auction. Attarcting new auction buyers to eBay would easier if they did not need to learn a new system.
10-26-2021 08:05 AM
@doc-holmes Please give on example from another site where the bidding has gone for 10 days because of extended bidding. Never happens. If that were true traditional auctions would last for months. Yet, an on online auction house can dispose of 500 lots (with extended bidding in several hours.
10-26-2021 08:06 AM
How could it favor eBay and not the seller. It only favors eBay if prices are higher. Therefore, also favors seller
10-26-2021 08:06 AM
@glasser wrote:@juicydrupes exactly.
Everyone commenting on my post that soft endings don't work clearly have not been paying attention the rest of the internet. This is the way almost all auctions end now either online or in person.
Yes, people come to the end. No they don't last all night and if they did that means bids are coming in and the price is going up.
The Yahoo example is like 20 years old before most of the auction business moved online.
eBay's ending method is very much the exception to industry standard and doesn't work effectively as it once did. Those of us who buy at auction. Attarcting new auction buyers to eBay would easier if they did not need to learn a new system.
Thanks for the laugh.....
10-26-2021 08:27 AM - edited 10-26-2021 08:28 AM
I exaggerated, yes. I believe my premise is sound however, that most eBay buyers would not want to get involved in an auction of indeterminate length. I guarantee if they decided to do it the "buying" discussion boards would get lit up like a Christmas tree.
10-26-2021 08:27 AM
Hi everyone,
This thread is getting a bit heated. Please remember that, while it is fine to disagree with others, discussion should always remain courteous and respectful.
Thank you for your cooperation.
10-26-2021 09:51 AM
10-26-2021 09:53 AM
@releasethekraken_1 Sorry. You are correct. I misread. My bad,
10-26-2021 09:54 AM
@glasser wrote:@juicydrupes exactly.
Everyone commenting on my post that soft endings don't work clearly have not been paying attention the rest of the internet. This is the way almost all auctions end now either online or in person.
Yes, people come to the end. No they don't last all night and if they did that means bids are coming in and the price is going up.
The Yahoo example is like 20 years old before most of the auction business moved online.
eBay's ending method is very much the exception to industry standard and doesn't work effectively as it once did. Those of us who buy at auction. Attarcting new auction buyers to eBay would easier if they did not need to learn a new system.
You still haven’t told us who the #1 auction site is.
BTW, I have a list of reasons why extensions are a bad idea. I’ll post it when I have time.
10-26-2021 12:47 PM
If you were willing to bid higher, why didn't you do so before the end of the auction? It is possible for you to bid in the last seconds of the auction.
10-26-2021 01:20 PM - edited 10-26-2021 01:24 PM
@releasethekraken_1 wrote:
@glasser wrote:@juicydrupes exactly.
Everyone commenting on my post that soft endings don't work clearly have not been paying attention the rest of the internet. This is the way almost all auctions end now either online or in person.
Yes, people come to the end. No they don't last all night and if they did that means bids are coming in and the price is going up.
The Yahoo example is like 20 years old before most of the auction business moved online.
eBay's ending method is very much the exception to industry standard and doesn't work effectively as it once did. Those of us who buy at auction. Attarcting new auction buyers to eBay would easier if they did not need to learn a new system.
You still haven’t told us who the #1 auction site is.
BTW, I have a list of reasons why extensions are a bad idea. I’ll post it when I have time.
Here's a list of reasons why extensions are bad, and would result in lower prices and/or manipulated auctions. There are probably some that I have missed:
1) It makes shill bidding easier
2) It encourages sport bidding just to keep an auction running
3) It would result in more frequent non-payment (see item #2)
4) It would discourage max bidding (see items #1 and #2)
5) It interferes with a person's ability to "defend" their bid if an auction will end when the bidder isn't able to be on the site
6) It wastes time
7) It can prevent a bidder from placing a bid on another auction for a similar item if they're committed to an auction that keeps getting extended.
I'm still waiting to hear who's taken over for eBay as the #1 auction site on the Internet.
And to the OP, who probably thinks this was an original idea: you're probably the 1,000th person to post this non-starter. Congrats.
10-26-2021 02:20 PM
@releasethekraken_1 wrote:
@releasethekraken_1 wrote:
@glasser wrote:@juicydrupes exactly.
Everyone commenting on my post that soft endings don't work clearly have not been paying attention the rest of the internet. This is the way almost all auctions end now either online or in person.
Yes, people come to the end. No they don't last all night and if they did that means bids are coming in and the price is going up.
The Yahoo example is like 20 years old before most of the auction business moved online.
eBay's ending method is very much the exception to industry standard and doesn't work effectively as it once did. Those of us who buy at auction. Attarcting new auction buyers to eBay would easier if they did not need to learn a new system.
You still haven’t told us who the #1 auction site is.
For what I sell Live Auctioneers, invaluable, etc. In categories--or what used to be categoires :)--listing on eBay are less than 5% and sometimes less than 1% of all listings. These other sites are 100% auctions.
BTW, I have a list of reasons why extensions are a bad idea. I’ll post it when I have time.
Here's a list of reasons why extensions are bad, and would result in lower prices and/or manipulated auctions. There are probably some that I have missed:
1) It makes shill bidding easier
It shouldn't on eBay where bidders can be tracked via other means2) It encourages sport bidding just to keep an auction running
Is there evidence of this? And again eBay could crack down. 2-3 non-payments and you are banned from eBay. Frankly should do that on all transactions.
3) It would result in more frequent non-payment (see item #2)
eBay could easily crackdown on this more than they have. See #2
4) It would discourage max bidding (see items #1 and #2)
First bidding the max while always recommended is not the way everyone bids in the real world. As someone who buys at auction a lot I employ several different strategies and bid the max is only one. Sometimes I leave bids, sometimes I bid live, sometimes I leave a bid and come back to the live and might be willing to bid more. There is not a single totally right way to bid at an auction.
5) It interferes with a person's ability to "defend" their bid if an auction will end when the bidder isn't able to be on the site
Actually the opposite. On a hard stop auction I can't
reassess and defend my bid at all. If I am outbid with 1 second left on a hard stop, auction over full stop. You only need to be on the site if you want to and are willing to pay more.6) It wastes time
No time is wasted. You bid your max and move on if you so choose or you wait til closing and stick around for the fun or to bid. Your choice.
7) It can prevent a bidder from placing a bid on another auction for a similar item if they're committed to an auction that keeps getting extended.
There is some truth here. Buyers, unless they have unlimited funds, may have to see if they have won an item before bidding or not bidding on another. I operate that way as I am deploying capital. If I have a $1000 for buying and there are two items and I am willing to pay $900 for the first one and the other will likely cost $500. I need to know if I won or lost the first one. However, in my experience you might get 4-5 bumps on soft ending auction if the increments were short say 4 minute extension each time then you are looking at less than 20 minutes and the max time is only if people wait to the last second for another bid, Of course if there is a left bid that is higher the bump is immediate and the clock ticks. In realty soft closing auctions probably only go 5-10 minutes beyond the close time. So most if the time you would know in time.
I'm still waiting to hear who's taken over for eBay as the #1 auction site on the Internet.
And to the OP, who probably thinks this was an original idea: you're probably the 1,000th person to post this non-starter. Congrats.
You may think its a non-starter. However, people are just pointing out that eBay is behind the times on this. Granted they probably think auctions are a waste of time since Amazon doesn't have auctions and after all that's who eBay looks up to. But auctions are a very pure form of commerce and used extensively in various markets as the way to buy and sell.
@releasethekraken_1 See above
10-26-2021 03:53 PM
Sniping is completely legal and fair. Fair because everyone can do it if they choose.
eBay allows it and doesn't care about it, it's just a strategic way to bid.
You can buy sniper software ON EBAY. The software will bid any amount you want to in the very last second of a particular auction. Once you set it up, you don't even have to be present or watching the end of the auction, it does it for you.
All legal and fair because any and all bidders can and are allowed to do it.
You got sniped because you weren't sniping......very common and what the sniper(s) were counting on.
As far as "I had no time to rebid !" well, that's the definition of sniping, right ? That is the strategy of sniping.
Your view on this is very amateur, this should be common knowledge for a long time eBayer.