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[oldbookshopnj]

kilfoil:

There are Gall & Inglis editions with 8 plates, 6 plates and 4 plates. It would not surprise me if they had done an edition with no plates and had failed to correct the title page; however, lacking an excessively detailed bibliography of Moore or detailed descriptions of other copies with no plates, you cannot assert this as a fact.

The best you can do in your description is something such as, "Title page calls for four plates, but apparently none were ever bound in to this copy." No plates present is at at least a step up from plates ripped out.

[jpeachbooks]

Thanks oldbookshopnj! I kind of love the way the book business is so exacting and specific and yet haphazard at the same time. Kind of a metaphor I guess.

[oldbookshopnj]

Printers' and binders' errors in 19th century book production are fairly frequent, but normally this will translate into a single missing or misplaced plate, not all plates missing.

It was a common practice for a publisher to print more sheets of a book than he had bound at first. Printing costs decrease with quantity, binding costs are unitary.

I can envision a scenario where the publisher had sheets of the book sitting in a warehouse, had an approach about selling a lower-priced edition, and went ahead without changing the title page.

[bodeebooks]

OldbookshopNJ: We appreciate the information, esp. as to the distinction made with names/titles in brackets. Mrs. Zalles was obviously a lady of means, as the book is nicely done, with beautifully mounted photos of (presumably) important people and places in Ireland. Lots of Big Hair!

[bookwik]

Hello.

I have a copy of "Flappers and Philosophers" by F. Scott Fitzgerald.

The copyright states, in its entirety:

"Copyright, 1920, by
Charles Scribner's Sons
____________

Published September, 1920
Reprinted September, October, 1920
____________

Copyright, 1920, by The Curtis Publishing Co.
Copyright, 1920, by The Smart Set Publishing Co."

The only other printing on the copyright page is the Scribner logo or seal.

Would you call this book a third printing?

Second printing?

It's that line "Reprinted September, October, 1920" that is throwing me. I don't know if that means one additional printing (begun in September and completed in October") or two additional printings (one in September and one in October).


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[oldbookshopnj]

It is certainly an odd way of giving the later printing information. I could check the Fitzgerald bibliography, which has details about all of the printings, but it might not be until Tuesday.

[bookwik]

It is certainly an odd way of giving the later printing information. I could check the Fitzgerald bibliography, which has details about all of the printings, but it might not be until Tuesday.

Sure, that would be great! Thank you!


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[oldbookshopnj]

It is the third printing. The second printing simply says, "Reprinted September, 1920."

By the way, the fourth printing says, "Reprinted September, October, December, 1920."

[bookwik]

It is the third printing. The second printing simply says, "Reprinted September, 1920."

By the way, the fourth printing says, "Reprinted September, October, December, 1920."

. . . proving that not only are the rich different, but so are their publishers!

Thank you for this valuable information, oldbookshopnj.

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[lyceumdreams]

Hello All,

A neophyte again scrounging for info......


I have come across,

California illustrated : including a description of the Panama and Nicaragua routes by A Returned Californian. Listed by Worldcat as J.M. Letts.

Published by William Holdredge, NY. 1852, listed (1852 on both copyright and title page.) 224 p. It looks to be a first.

I find one 1853 for sale and one listed in Worldcat at the British Library.


Anyone know anything about this title that might save me some time......Thank you all as always. Your help is truly appreciate.

[lyceumdreams]

From another source,

"On January 27, 1849, John Letts sailed from New York City on board the bark Marietta for Chagres, Panama. Crossing the Ithmus of Panama, Lett embarked on the Pacific side for San Francisco. He arrived on July 5, 1849. Accompaning Letts was an artist, G. V. Cooper, whose profuse drawings illustrate the book. The book is open to a drawing of the artist and the author in a mining camp. Letts left California for period of time to explore Nicaragua, returned to San Francisco and then returned to the east coast by way of Panama."

[lyceumdreams]

Dave Lesser has to say this,

The first having issued in 1852. The title page calls for 48 plates. The "number of plates vary in copies of all issues but 48 is the proper complement." Howes. "Some copies vary in number of plates" [Graff], and "are seldom intact." Larned. The descriptions of California life "are most faithful notes from personal observation, methodically arranged and excellently expressed." Id. The illustrations were drawn by Cooper and lithographed by Cameron. The book is quite scarce, Howes having rated it 'aa' in 1962. Howes L300aa. Graff 2469. Larned 2056. Cowan 390.

[lyceumdreams]

Amazingly,

this title collates completely with all 48 original plates intact.

[chagrinbooks]

Is this the one you found?

Link

George Victor Cooper (1810-1878). Portrait and landscape painter, lithographer, cameo cutter and sculptor; born in Hanover, N.J., died in NYC. G.V. Cooper was working in NYC as early as 1835-36, and was probably the same as "C,V. Cooper" who exhibited portraits at the Apollo Assn. and the National Academy in 1839. He left for California in 1849, and worked with J.M.Lett, for whose California Illustrated (NY, 1853) Cooper provided all the illustrations. Cooper was back again in NYC in 1851 and worked there until his death. In 1865 he painted a portrait of Abraham Lincoln.

-the NYHS Dictionary of Artists in America,1564-1860

Nothing groundbreaking here, but you certainly have a notable work.

[lyceumdreams]

I found a few 1853's. Mr. Reese has a nice example and explanation of the work on his site.

Also, I noted that a number of the 1853's for sale make a statement about 4th thousand in regard to edition, which to me implies that the 1852 First Edition was issued in a quantity of the 'first' 3000?

THe LOC lists their example as 1853.