01-17-2024 08:06 AM
I've been selling on Ebay since 1998 and strive for 100% positive feedback. I've been extremely succesful of maintaining this through the simplicity of integrity. Do everything correctly, how can negative feedback ever happen, correct?
Unfortunately, from time to time there is a dishonest buyer or a buyer doesn't understand the feedback process. For example, a buyer purchases an item. The seller purchases a label through Ebay's portal which automatically creates a label, with tracking information, and off goes the package to the seller address. Provided you ship like this, you have what's called "Ebay seller protection".
One day the seller notices that their perfect 100% positive feedback has a blemish. The buyer of the above said purchase posted a negative feedback stating they never recieved the item. However, the tracking number shows it was delivered. So there are two possible reasons for this. One, the buyer did receive it and is being dishonest. Second, the carrier delivered it to the wrong address.
So the question is, how is it even possible for a buyer to leave negative feedback on the seller in this instance with Ebay's so-called, "Seller Protection"? Ebay states they have seller protection but in order to get seller protection, the seller has to consume hours of their time, going through their chat service and then their customer service and waiting several days for the derogatory blemish disappear from their rating. While the negative feedback is posted, it undenaibly impacts the sellers sales as prudent buyers view feedback as a basis of either buying an item or not. If I had the choice to buy an item through a seller with 100% positive feedabck and a nother with 99.8%, why take a chance on the .2%. Unless the seller is to look at their feedback on an minute to minute basis, they run the risk of losing sales the longer it's posted.
My thoughts are this. Since there is a vehicle in place, the tracking information, which shows delivery. The buyer should not be able to leave negative feedback on the seller. The seller didn't do anything wrong here. Yes, the buyer did have a negative experience while purchasing on Ebay but the seller is not "Ebay" nor the carrier.
I stated the above to countless Ebay customer service reps to no avail. I grasp the concept, they have no ability to elevate it. The system is the system. I am hoping by posting this that enough sellers will chime in to finally get this remedied. As far as I am concerened, it's quite simple. There should be a drop down list to select why you are leaving neagative feedback. If it's for the above, as soon as you click that button, you are then locked out of leaving negative feedback. It's that simple. Anyone else have thoughts on this?
01-17-2024 12:00 PM
If a buyer leaves negative feedback stating that the item was never received when you have tracking to prove it was, all you need to do is contact eBay and have them look at the tracking. They will remove the negative.
01-18-2024 04:29 AM
That's my point. The seller's time is valuable. They shouldn't have to "call" Ebay. It's painful to deal with Ebay's chat bot assistant first, then to pick a category, then to have 14 more mouse click to "speak with an agent", only to then have that agent provide you links to Ebay's feedback page; only to then hear them say "they'll take care of it", then ultimately having to call Ebay to get the feedback removed.......
01-18-2024 05:05 AM - edited 01-18-2024 05:06 AM
@fmzip wrote:
That's my point. The seller's time is valuable. They shouldn't have to "call" Ebay. It's painful to deal with Ebay's chat bot assistant first, then to pick a category, then to have 14 more mouse click to "speak with an agent", only to then have that agent provide you links to Ebay's feedback page; only to then hear them say "they'll take care of it", then ultimately having to call Ebay to get the feedback removed.......
Unfortunately, we see this kind of complaint on a regular basis and for myself it is difficult recommending a contact method that doesn't work. It has been well over a year since I saw the "Have us call you" link on the eBay Help & Contact flow despite it being THE recommended way to get in direct touch with eBay.
So if I can see it (not that I would need to use it) I can't recommend it with any level of confidence at all.
Many companies have downsized their phone support services which does not enhance the experience using their products or services. I could name a few that have a phone number to call but the automated phone assistant has the intelligence of a Kindergartner ...
I will say that those of us who support this forum can provide solutions to many issues as long as they do not require access to an account. We have no access to accounts here.
01-18-2024 09:28 AM
Hi @fmzip
I don't like to have to deal with customer support either - with any company. But if I wanted a negative removed, I would make the time to do it.
As for eBay doing this programmatically... There are millions of sales every day on eBay and millions of feedback comments left for those sales. Humans at eBay do not review feedback comments left unless there is an inquiry. Sellers couldn't afford the fees to pay a staff that large to do what you're asking. A program would have to be able to distinguish between a feedback left for non-receipt versus one left for some other reason and then to retrieve tracking information and determine whether the package was delivered, refused, returned, etc. I don't see anything like that happening in our lifetimes.
01-18-2024 10:09 AM
Well, how about thinking of it this way......
LONG ago, sellers were able to leave derogatory comments for unscroupulous buyers as it pertained to a transaction. That feature is no longer the case.
My post is about the all encompassing, Ebay-Buyer-Bias. They changed the above mentioned format with the simplicity of a removing a feature. The negative feeedback feature can be worked on as it currently stands. The negative feedback that that I am referring to in the opening post has zero to do with seller performance, nor metrics. Being in IT, this isn't rocket science to modify. Particularly if there is simple care and consideration toward their seller pool.
Sadly, I have to say that over the past 26 years of selling it's become more dispariging selling on this platform. I understand where the door is and I could choose to quick whenever I'd like. I do have hope that Ebay is still the company I once knew that is really not too big enough to make changes where changes are needed. I am sure if their long time sellers were ever polled by Ebay, they would have some ah-ha moments and right the ship a bit. The competiton pool is growing with the like of FB marketplace etc and I for one hope eBay stands the test of time. I'm starting to wonder if it will still be the leader another 20 years from now. There are more area of concerns than this for me so I will keep the post on topic for others input
01-18-2024 10:49 AM
I don't work for eBay. I can only explain what they do - not why they do it in most cases.
If you have an IT background as do I, you know there is always a long list of enhancements "out there" for any business. Some have to be done for usability, some to meet competition, some for image, some that would be REALLY nice to have but aren't a priority. There is a whole host of categories. There are costs vs. value to be weighed. The list is constantly being prioritized and re-prioritized over time. For the relatively small number of buyers who leave negative feedback for items that have been delivered, it's highly unlikely an enhancement to handle this programmatically will be done. There are too many enhancements that are prioritized higher in the list.
As for buyer bias...that's normal in the marketplace. The slogan from Henry Selfridge, "Right or wrong, the customer is always right," has been around since the 1800s, and that's the motto successful businesses stand by.
01-18-2024 11:49 AM
Interesting that you stated you don't work for Ebay as you haven't made a comment that that would suggest any improvement needed for the Seller platform thus far.
Yes, I make the calls in. Buyer's don't need to make calls. Their funds never are never frozen from an inquiry be it, from either fraudulent or accurate information.They certainly never have to contact Ebay to dispute negative feedback in any shape or form since there is no ability to state any negativity towards buyers. If there were, I'd block negative buyers from my auctions......
All long time sellers know this. If they hold their ground on any transaction, they will get neutral or negative feedback. This is a deterioating feedback platform; hopefully some other sellers wil voice there concern as well. In this day and age where you can't say anything bad about anything or anyone, it will likely go away once a frivlous law suit is started.....
I guess for me, integrity is first and foremost. Protecting someone's name/business is important. One lost sale can turn into multiple lost sales......
01-18-2024 12:26 PM
Interesting that you stated you don't work for Ebay as you haven't made a comment that that would suggest any improvement needed for the Seller platform thus far.
Glad you find it interesting, though I don't know why you would. I'm addressing your issue with eBay, not my own. I could give eBay a prioritized list a mile long of changes I would like to see on the site, list all the reasons why, and in most cases, how to do them, but your issue wouldn't be on my list as I've only had to make a call to remove feedback two times I think in 19 years. It's not as if the time I spent to do it took a big chunk out of my life. In fact I spend less time on that than on posting responses to your thread.
Buyer's don't need to make calls.
I respond to questions here everyday, and I can assure you that buyers make contact with eBay all the time. In fact, I would say more buyers contact eBay than sellers since most sellers already know the policies and procedures and have fewer reasons to make contact.
I guess for me, integrity is first and foremost. Protecting someone's name/business is important. One lost sale can turn into multiple lost sales......
Yes. Which is why, since it's the only option available to you, I would make the call to eBay to have the unqualified feedback removed.
it will likely go away once a frivlous law suit is started.....
That's not going to happen. Read here:
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/user-agreement?id=4259#section18
This is the Ask a Mentor board where there are a handful of members who respond here. If you would like to start a full blown discussion, I would post over on the Selling board where anyone can post. You'll find plenty of members who just cannot let go of their anguish over a decision made 16 years ago about leaving negative feedback for buyers. 😊
01-18-2024 12:39 PM
I stated it, because you stated it in regards to your comment that you don't work for Ebay.
Just so I am clear, are you posting what sounds like definitve statement on why Ebay business practices based on specultaion or defintive facts from them that they shared with you?
Very useful information.....there's another board for sellers to speak? This is my first post ever on this platform. If I am in the wrong place to have a conversation regarding this topic, would someone share a link please? Sounds like I had better success discussing this with some people with similar sentiment regarding the process stated above
01-18-2024 01:11 PM
Hi @fmzip
Perhaps I wasn't clear... I made a definitive statement based on my decades of experience working for IT companies in product management, education, and documentation. I didn't tell you anything specific about eBay's process because I'm not privy to eBay's IT processes, but I do know they prioritize their enhancement and bug fix lists. You can hear that from even the low-level customer support reps.
What any member thinks is a priority doesn't mean it's a priority to eBay however. As I mention, there are plenty of members pining away for the good old days when they could slam a buyer with negative feedback (you can probably tell, I'm not one of them), but that ship has sailed. It won't be coming back. Sellers could not stop themselves from giving retaliatory feedback, which made the seller look as bad as the buyer (and often worse). Instead, eBay gave tools to sellers that can actually have consequences for problem buyers as feedback never could (unpaid item strikes and buyer reporting).
If the "success" you are looking for is to find other people who agree with you, then the discussion boards are your best bet. Scroll to the top of this page and click the dropdown arrow next to Buying & Selling and select the selling board.
The primary purpose of this board is to get help and advice with buying and selling questions from experienced fellow members who are well-versed on eBay policies and procedures. Sometimes that help and advise isn't what the OP wants to hear, but that isn't the purpose of this board. We want to help you successfully use the eBay you have, not the eBay you wish you had.
01-18-2024 02:34 PM
Gotcha…wrong forum.
i am not looking for agreement, i am looking for a better EBay platform. Simply speaking freedom of speech is one thing. Handcuffing sellers is the topic at hand.. Sellers have no voice nor leverage. They have become passive pawns in eBay’s income stream.
With that said, thanks for clarity on what this forum is for. Hopefully I will see you on the sellers forum to hear some of your con and wishes for the betterment of sellers
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