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EBAY Up to $20 envelopes have a loop hole that scammers are using

When you ship an EBAY envelope for an item under $20, in my case Sports Trading Cards.  If you drop it in the mailbox and it is never scanned by alot of USPS workers, the buyer can receive the card and claim that it was never shipped, receive the card, get a refund, and leave negative feedback!  

 

This just happened to me and EBAY has DONE NOTHING! NOT even remove the negative feedback! 

 

How can you let this happen? I know this is true as I have other cards shipped this way and buyers leave positive feedback with no update in shipping at all.  If Ebay does nothing then a Seller like myself is forced to charge at least 3.50 for USPS Ground Advantage.  

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@ericcardshop 

 

usps workers do not scan the standard envelopes - the info comes from the electronic sorting equipment. If there was not a single scan, the envelope was lost or damaged before getting to the first major processing center near you.

 

If you have to issue a refund on a standard envelope shipment, file a claim for your loss.  See the protections tab here - 

 

https://www.ebay.com/sellercenter/shipping/choosing-a-carrier-and-service/ebay-standard-envelope

 

Your buyer has 500 feedback, so I don’t think they are a scammer.  I would tend to believe that he never received the card. I know that doesn’t help, and doesn’t get the feedback removed. Next time, I’d wait a bit before replying to the feedback - calling your buyer evil is not a good thing.  Plus, eBay would have forced you to refund - you weren’t being nice.

wooden_flower Volunteer Community Mentor.
eBay member since 2001.

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Yikes!  Your reply to that feedback was not very professional.

GloryBells  • 
eBay Mentor Since 2008

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The card was shipped 11 days ago cross country.  I did not have to refund the customer.  Ebay did not ask me to. 

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Yes, either is having to refund 5 customers in one week claiming they never received a card that clearly EBAY has no tracking on.  So 5 cards just go missing at once?  They should not offer 1.11 shipping if a customer can claim they never received a card and EBAY or USPS does not scan a single item.  I am done with EBAY. 

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This statement is incorrect. 

usps workers do not scan the standard envelopes - the info comes from the electronic sorting equipment. If there was not a single scan, the envelope was lost or damaged before getting to the first major processing center near you.

 

I have shipped items with Ebay envelopes that show no updates and the buyer gave me positive feedback stating how the item was as described, etc.  This is a loop hole.  

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@ericcardshop wrote:

The card was shipped 11 days ago cross country.  I did not have to refund the customer.  Ebay did not ask me to. 

 

I have shipped items with Ebay envelopes that show no updates and the buyer gave me positive feedback stating how the item was as described, etc. This is a loop hole.


If your buyer had opened a not received claim, eBay would not have given you a choice - you would have to issue the refund.

 

I guess even machines are not perfect.

 

If you had to give 5 refunds, then you have 5 claims to file.

wooden_flower Volunteer Community Mentor.
eBay member since 2001.

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I understand.  What got me is the buyer claimed I never shipped the card and that is not true. He also claimed it was weeks when he reached out to me after 10 days. I informed him I shipped the card same day, Told him cards under $20 I drop in the mailbox and I have seen where it is not scanned quickly at times.  Anyhow, I then refunded him since he was questioning whether I shipped it to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Then came the negative feedback.  This card will hopefully arrive for the buyer but I had no reason to lie to him and that was how he was attacking the conversation.  

 

Thanks for your help and assistance.  

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@ericcardshop 

 

I am sorry that the buyer made such a quick and rash judgment.  He obviously did not look at your feedback before leaving his comment.

wooden_flower Volunteer Community Mentor.
eBay member since 2001.

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@ericcardshop 

 

Yes, there is a hole in the system if a letter is never scanned.  It is a calculated risk the seller takes and is why eBay limits the letters to $20. With a plain stamped envelope, with no tracking or insurance, any buyer can claim non-delivery, yet most of the time they don't. With eBay's letter, there is some tracking and some insurance. But, if the letter is never scanned, then it travels as if it were a stamped envelope. Sellers must build that into their business models.

 

No Scan:

 

eBay's ESUS numbers are not USPS numbers, and can only be tracked through the major high-speed sorting hubs that handle third-party metered mail. The proprietary codes can't be scanned by postal employees, so there won't be an actual "acceptance" scan or "delivered" scan. That means you can drop your letters in a mailbox, the same as presenting them to a clerk, since your local PO can not scan the codes. 

 

 

Scanned but no delivery:

 

The last major sorting hub will estimate delivery when the item leaves the hub to begin traveling through local distribution centers. That "delivered" estimate can be off by hours or days.

 

If there is no actual delivery by that estimate, I ask the buyer to give the item at least 3 more days to appear.  If more than a week late, the buyer should open a "not received" request, and the seller can make an insurance claim through eBay's insurance plan.  If the delivery address is in the Houston area, there is a major hub slowdown due to missing automation that could extend delivery yet another week.

 

A seller can open a claim near the bottom of this page, but if the letter was never scanned, then a claim would be denied:

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/shipping-items/setting-shipping-options/ebay-standard-envelope?id=... 

 

 

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Thank you! I appreciate that.  

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