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Paypal in Australia

For those who have been wondering, yesterday the ACCC sent out letters expressing its intent to revoke permission for eBay to make Paypal the only payment option for Australian eBayers (other than COD). It's subject to arbitration if anybody wishes, but that's public, and with over 650 submissions, mostly against the move, I think they'd be mad to expect a reversal. Indeed, Paypal has already started an aggressive campaign to try to get buyers in other online markets to use the service (plane tickets and the like).
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Thanks for the update. I really appreciate it. -- ~Jillian artist, Jillian Crider ... google me!
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and now there's paypal plugin! -- curiouser and curiouser...l.carroll
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Ebay is muttering about challenging the ruling (as is its right)but it's an open arbitration process. As someone who made a submission, I'm on the mailing list. I'll keep you posted.
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Next step with Paypal. If eBay wish to dispute the ruling, they - or any other interested party - MUST request a conference with the ACCC, which is open to all interested parties. Most people who made submissions are happy with the provisional ruling against eBay. EBay have, as of yesterday, not requested a conference, although they have made it plain they intend to dispute the ruling, and have ordered AU sellers to remove references to other forms of payment from their listings by July 17 when they now intend to implement the "Paypal or COD only" policy. This instruction could quite well have waited for the final ruling and is probably designed to scare people into changing their listings in advance on the theory that people then won't change them back even if the ruling stays against eBay. The ACCC, however, in anticipation of the request for a conference, yesterday emailed all 600+ interested parties with the date, time and location "IF" one is held.(Monday afternoon,near me! Big venue. I definitely plan to go.) This pre-empts a last minute request for the meeting from eBay which might prevent people from planning to attend. If eBay does not request a conference, the ACCC ruling against them will be confirmed. If they then defy the government ruling they will be in breach of the Trade Practices Act and subject to prosecution. If they attend a conference, they must present substantial new argument.
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Thanks Angela. -- ~Jillian artist, Jillian Crider ... google me!
~Jillian

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Just curious . . . how popular is PayPal in Australia? EBay seems to be putting up the fight of their lives to win this one. Is it because PayPal isn't used as much in AU as it is in the states, so they're trying to force the issue? It seems like in the US, the majority of ebayers use PayPal. Even if they made it a requirement, I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make. I would guess that 99% of transactions are paid through PayPal anyway. If PayPal is as popular in Australia as it is here, why not just let it go? Or are there alternative sites that want to squash? -- Kathy

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I used to use PayPal when I was in Au. And still use it to transfer money there. For this it is EXCELLENT!!! -- ~Jillian artist, Jillian Crider ... google me!
~Jillian

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Ebay is about 80% of the online auction market. Paypal is reasonably popular (I use it myself) but direct bank deposit is very popular as it is very safe here. There are also some home-grown Paypal equivalents, and a lot of use of credit and debit cards. There's also a deep distrust of US mega-corporations. Meeting is tomorrow, I intend to go, all else being well.
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Yes, I used DD a lot in Au. It is SO different here in USA. People here still get paid by cheque/check and cash. They run special campaigns to try to get employees to get DD. But it's not at all common. Whereas, in Au, I don't think I've been paid anyway but DD since the late 80s, early 90s. -- ~Jillian artist, Jillian Crider ... google me!
~Jillian

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i saw the"hold"on this in the paper yesterday...yay! -- curiouser and curiouser...l.carroll
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Well, the meeting was Monday (US Sunday) and now everyone has until tomorrow to make their final submissions. It was very interesting and everybody behaved very well, so everyone who wanted was able to speak. Some people were very nervous, and it obviously took them a great deal of courage to make a public statement, so it showed how strongly they felt on the issue. About 60 people attended, including some who had flown interstate to be there. There were no representatives of the big banks or other government departments, who are either relying on their previous submissions or are preparing new written ones. There was a representative from Paymate, a local business offering a directly comparable service. The meeting was requested by a representative of an eBay seller's group; eBay was represented, but refused to answer questions or enter into the discussion beyond making their official response. (This provoked laughter after the first "We will answer any relevant questions in our written submission".) In order for eBay to be permitted to insist that Paypal be the only payment method allowed other than personal delivery, they have to prove that the public benefit outweighs the public disadvantage. The only argument they presented was the exact same one that has already been rejected - that Paypal is "safer" than other available payment methods, which was very strongly contested by speaker after speaker. The other dominant issue was "choices". Even those people who use Paypal and find it convenient felt that they, and their customers, should be allowed to choose their preferred method of payment. While refusing to give any official responses themselves, the eBay/Paypal group had brought along a Gold Powerseller who is very enthusiastic about Paypal. (She was so enthusiastic she was asked if she was paid to be there. She said no.) But even she admitted that she prefers to be able to give her customers a choice of payment methods. So far, so interesting.
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Thanks for the update. Certainly is interesting. -- ~Jillian artist, Jillian Crider ... google me!
~Jillian

artist, Jillian Crider

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Yes, thanks for the update. If PayPal can be the only way to be paid, then they also can raise the rates, and there's nothing we can do about it! -- ~Kathy Co-Leader, ACA2008 ≈^..^≈.....>^..^<.....‗^..^‗Kathy is OneKeeneKat.....‗^..^‗.....>^..^<......≈^..^≈
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Holy smokes! I just went to list an item (using the relist button), and got a red flag saying that I hadn't filled out all of the information. I went back to see what I had missed, and saw this: I thought the "PayPal only" requirement was something that they were forcing on sellers with less than 100 feedbacks. I have NEVER gotten this before. Did they just change policies and not tell us? -- Kathy

Kathy
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