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Curious about the "rules"

Hello all, I'm new to the group, and just getting a feel for how things are done around here. Anyway, I had a couple questions I was hoping someone could answer. 1. Is there a way to do searches through previous posts? 2. With card editions, are open editions not allowed? 3. With limited editions, is there a generally excepted limit to the number of prints or is it open ended? 4. I've noticed that there are obviously a wide variety of types of media being used to produce the cards. But I haven't seen any "photos" per se. Therefore, are photographs not allowed? 5. If producing an edition of prints, can larger work be reduced to fit the size of the cards, or can the original only be a handmade ACEO? Thanks in advance for any help. Best Regards, Eric
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1. I don't know 2. I don't think so 3. Probably, I don't think so 4. Sure, why not? They just don't sell very well. It's that old 19th century photos are/are not art argument. 5. Yes, No. I felt obligated to help, even though I didn't know the answers, since you thanked me in advance. Your welcome (in the distant past). mick

"All black and white, nice." ~ golders
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LOL! Mick you rock! Eric, Mick. Mick, Eric. Oh, I see that you two have already met. Eric, take a look at the opening page of the group, and you'll see a link with a lot of helpful information, and hopefully some answers to your questions. The most important thing to remember is that size matters here: 2.5 by 3.5 inches is the only requirement to be an ACEO. I think that an open edition would be acceptable, if you tell your customers that it is an open edition when you list. In general, my sense is that people like limited editions of small size, or one of a kinds better, but, I'm not the knower of all things! ACEO's can be cut from larger works, or can be reproductions scaled down from larger works. I know that there are some artist who sell on eBay who do just that. Some artist do sell ACEO photographs, so, yes that is acceptable, too. I guess that you can search through 'completed items ACEO' to find info about past sales, etc. Welcome to the group, Eric! I think that you'll like it here...fun people! Penny 🙂
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Rules? We don't need no steenkin rules.
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Hi Eric. 1. At the top of the discussions (threads/posts) you will see 'search discussions' - you put in a keyword(s), and related threads/discussions will show for you. 2. Editions is intended NOT include open editions - this takes away from the collectibility and exclusivness. I am sure there are some that do them though as they don't realise. 3. LE are expected to state what the print run is. I have printed before and stated and numbered my work as if of a print run of 100. It was screenprinting. But I have only printed about 30 of those, and may not print any more, but I had to state the print run at the outset. Most ACEO print runs are under a max of 30 prints. I've even seen 1 of 1. 4. Photos are allowed, as long as they are one-off, or le runs. If you search on ebay as 'ACEO photo' you will find PLENTY listed. Some people make photos off-off originals by embellishing them. 5. Many people create ACEO-sized prints of larger art works. I do. I also have been requested to, by people who cannot buy my larger works. ~Jillian
~Jillian

artist, Jillian Crider

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Stats regarding ACEO sales on ebay can be found on the website of www dot poxodd dot com - left hand side - ebay ACEO stats or something similar it says. 🙂
~Jillian

artist, Jillian Crider

... google me!
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Here's a very fine photo aceo available even as we speak mr

"All black and white, nice." ~ golders
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Sorry Harmonious, I know you wanted this one to fly under the radar now that you're high bidder. mr

"All black and white, nice." ~ golders
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Mick, your lack of information was definitely . . . well anyway, thanks for the thought I guess ;-P Thanks for the info guys. I had read the info posted in the announcements and just wanted to clarify a couple points. I discovered the search option shortly after posting the message. And, I had come across some of the photo ACEOs too. So I probably should have looked around a little more before asking. The main reason I was asking about limited editions or not is that in the charter for another ACEO group they stated any edition, limited or otherwise was allowed. And since it seemed only limited editions were endorsed by you Jillian, I wanted to double check on your take on it. I'm a photo realist painter as well as a digital printmaker and because my pieces take so long to produce, I generally try to focus on selling my prints rather than the originals. However, I've been somewhat turned off by the idea of limited editions as I see them as being a contrived construct to increase the marketability of the prints aside from prints produced by traditional means. In other words the origin of limited editions came from the fact that initially prints were made from plates that would wear out over time and therefore there was a naturally imposed limit on how many prints could be produced. And once that limit was reached the plate would be destroyed. Obviously the practice of artificially limiting a print run is widely accepted and practiced in the art world, so I have nothing against people using it, it's just that I prefer to do numbered unlimited runs that I may or may not close at a later date. That way if anyone wants to know in the future how many prints of that run exist, they can contact me to find out and also see if the run is still open or closed. It also allows me to keep the price lower (although that isn't really an issue with ACEOs), and offer the prints to more people if the demand is present. I hope that if I do offer an open run of prints I wouldn't be offending anyone. I guess I just wanted to test the waters before diving in. Anyway, hopefully I'll have some cards posted soon. In the meantime, I'd love some feedback on my art if anyone is willing, specifically on whether you think ACEOs of my large pieces would be of interest to anyone. Since eBay doesn't allow external links, just go to google and search for Eric Ashworth Fine Art. Thanks again (in advance 😜 ) and best regards, Eric
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Eric - your work is stunning!!! I don't see why it wouldn't sell as ACEO's. I know everyone says photography doesn't sell very well on ebay, but maybe it will if it is exceptional the way yours is!! JacqueJoy
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Hi JacqueJoy, Thanks for the vote of confidence. I just wanted to clarify that the images you saw were paintings, not photographs. I'm afraid I need to make it somewhat clearer on my website that they are in fact paintings. When they're reduced from 2 feet by 3 feet to 2 inches by 3 inches it just serves to increase the illusion. I am definitely hoping you're right about them selling well on eBay, as I am about to setup an eBay store to do a test run on my marketability here, selling cards, posters, prints and possibly even originals. Thanks again, Eric
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Well Eric, I'm not the one who made up the ACEO rules. But have been around ACEOs since April of 2005. My interpretation has been that Editions meant limited - or else why bother if they are mass produced. Anyway, it probably doesn't matter as I'm not aware of anyone doing open editions of ACEOs on ebay at the moment (note, I say ebay, as there is another site that is promotion ACEO/ATC prints heavily - mainly because they get money by printing them!). If there are any open editions listed, I don't think they get much response/sales, as most people want close to a one-off. I've watched one or two artists do this. They no longer list. I can understand you wanting to sell prints rather than originals. It is good marketing - but also it works for some, and only in some markets. I know some of my ACEOs have taken me 6 hours to do (ACEO size). I think it takes selling originals first to get an interest in subsequent prints - where people are disappointed at having not won an original, then want a print at least. Many ACEO collectors will never buy a print. I am more inclined to buy a LE photo, or etching than a 'printed' print. I have never bought a print that is not a LE. I see LE prints differently. I see them as an opportunity to still procure a 'collectible', but at a reasonable price. Remember that some of the prints of some masters sell for MORE than the original art. Some people who are 'into' collecting art prints (all sizes) make a whole science of it - for instance - collecting print number 44 (e.g) of a run of 500 for each yearly release by a particular artist. I was recently talking about pricing. And about the mass-marketing of wonderful art - done as greeting cards. Would I be likely to collect an 'open edition' of a greeting card? No way - and so I see open editions as exactly that - another piece of paper out there in the world. Sorry if that sounds offensive. I don't mean it to be. I have seen some wonderful things of all kinds mass-produced. True that plates would wear out over time, but other plates get made. I know of many times this has happened, and indeed own 3rd printing prints of one particular artist - each one a LE, but now released 3 times. It won't be what we determine what we want to offer as a print for ACEOs. I like to keep the collectiblity aspect of them. For I am sure it is only the collectibility that will cause them to survive. I have watched art for many years, and art sales. The reason I love ACEOs so much is their ready collectibility - the same with small format art. It will be the buyers that will determine if what you offer is acceptable - the buyers are usually ones who won't know or read 'rules' anyway - so you're not offending anyone, as people will do what they wish with no real 'police' around to enforce anything. Great artwork, by the way. ~Jillian
~Jillian

artist, Jillian Crider

... google me!
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Sorry, I've been writing this for some time, and wrote after post #9.
~Jillian

artist, Jillian Crider

... google me!
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I am of the opinion that if a person is clear about what they are presenting, open, numbered editions should be OK, for all the reasons you mention, Eric. Your work is lovely, btw.
Bettina Makley, aka Fairywebmother
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Hi, Eric, Just a note to say your paintings are breath-taking! Incredible realism. I felt like I was there! And thanks for opening an interesting discussion. Although I haven't sold any ACEO prints of my work, I do create a "thank you" art card and do a limited edition run of that to include with originals that people buy. When my run (usually of 18 or 25) has been completed, I create a new "thank you" art card and start again. It's good to see people talking about this topic in the event that I do offer prints at some point.
Jeanne

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