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Are You Happy With the New Star System?

Anyone who seriously wants to get their opinion to Ebay needs to copy and paste this into an email addressed to megwhitman@ebay.com copy to billcobb@ebay.com You may add or subtract to it however you see fit. I ask that you also post it into any groups or discussion boards you frequent and ask those posters to pass it on to their groups. In this way we can get a respectful word to Ebay that we are NOT happy with the new policy and that it needs work. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dear Meg Whitman: Re: Ebay users request for change. There have been more and more concerns from both buyers and sellers regarding the new feedback policies. We respectfully request that you read and address our concerns, outlined in this letter. This letter is from eBay users, many of whom are both buyers and sellers, with serious concerns regarding the eBay 'Feedback System' and now most importantly the 'New Star System'. We are not only concerned about the current effect of these systems, but how they will affect the reputations that we have worked so hard at establishing. Allowing buyers to rate us via the star system without any education of how to use that system is going to hurt all of us and the revenue we generate for ourselves, as well as eBay. Star Rating System; Shipping: Buyer education Although your "help" section is a vast area and a wealth of information, we feel buyers are not taking the time to read these pages. Sellers are being expected to educated buyers on these issues, and it's usually after the SRS has been used by the buyer. Shipping Time In addition, we feel that buyers may be judging sellers on the shipping time of the carrier. Again, the buyer should recognize that the transit time is not in the sellers control and that there is a difference between "transit" time and "handling" time. One belongs to the carrier (transit time) and the other to the seller (handling time). Shipping costs This system does not address those buyers who do not fully understand shipping. Shipping includes "actual postage" and a handling/materials fee to prepare the buyers merchandise for shipping. Actual costs to the buyer and the costs associated with packing materials and handling fees, are two separate issues. We believe shipping costs should be clearly stated in each listing and if not buyers need to contact the seller and ask for clear shipping costs. Buyers should not be able to criticize a seller for shipping charges once they have agreed to their shipping terms by purchasing and paying for the sale. Shipping Post Mark Buyers need to understand that a postmark is an excellent way of determining if their seller actually shipped their item within the specified handling time frame. Which will show the seller has done his/her job in getting the item out on time, as per the sellers handling time. These times are stated in the sellers terms. Sellers should not be punished for any delays on the part of the post office or other carrier services used in the transporting of the buyers item(s). Neutrals: You can't offer someone a chair and then pull it out from under them when they try to sit. Sounds funny, but this is exactly the way sellers feel since your announcement that neutrals will now be counted as negatives. Neutral feedback is neutral feedback and should count exactly that way when reviewing a seller's performance, not changing it to a negative. We believe that all caring sellers want to see the bad sellers punished and suspended. We do NOT want to see innocent sellers and their good reputations damaged for lack of understanding on the part of an occasional buyer. We respectfully ask you to rethink and reconsider the policy as it now stands and as you intend it to be in the near future. We ask you to please keep in mind that sellers are also buyers. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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HEY NOW!!!! I was acknowledging my own culpability in the diversion off the topic! Do I get no credit for that? I went and composed myself even. I'm so misunderstood. I'll go sit by myself in a corner at Starbucks and look all beatnik and dark and brooding and stuff. -- JeanneY
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(((((yikes)))))
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;-) -- JeanneY
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Hasn't this got away from the topic, the star system and if we all hate it so much what are we going to do about it! Time to let eBay know who provides stuff on this place for the buyers!!
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Who collects dustballs? I have a fine selection. Have her contact me. As to SUSPENSIONS, doesn't this sound all very Mrs. Battleax, Middle School Principal? And the upshot is that logicall, Eboy will lose revenue! Did they think about that? Stay with me here, I am going to make some logical arguments. If you suspend or reduce someone's sales, then you must lose listing fees and final value fees, thus cutting revenue. Right? The unintended consequence. If I were doing the forecasting, I'd point this out and run some scenarios. The assumption all this new system is based on, is that unsatisfied customers are tied to sellers with feedback at or under 95%. I agree with that assumption in part--I won't buy from someone with below 96% feedback and think long and hard and use toolhaus if they have under 99. But lo! isn't that how feedback is to work? Caveat emptor? If you read someone is getting crappo feedback, you can CHOOSE not to bid. And the marketplace SHOULD ferret out the baddie and force them out of business. That was the original idea of feedback. Let reputation build or tear down a seller. But someone DOES buy from MrBadFeedback and so...one assumes all these folks take the risk of a poor sale in exchange for low price or availability of some doodad, and some guarantees (SNAD) will provide insurance. If there are automated suspensions, sales will automatically dip and the real fun is that some big guye, the ones Eboy wants to cultivate, may decide a new marketplace is where they want to be. So this could be the edge that gives St. Elsewhere's a nudge past the infinitesimally small market share they have now. I would ADORE to be the fly on the wall in corporate discussion of some quarter's lousy results when the full impact of buyers' low feedback on high shipping (whether deserved or not) is unexpectedly coupled with a rash of suspensions and reductions that reduce the overall results. The maths on this new system is untested. I would have tested current feedback with suspensions and run a simulation on reduced fvfs (maybe they did do that) but even that test and assumption would not hold in a new feedback system as the public's use of any system has MANY unpredictabilities. BELIEVE me, I know. I used to do work with software and customers came up with uses of it that never matched our exhaustive bug testing. Uses we never even imagined. What's especially sad is that Eboy has a model in how un-successful the star system is with Amazon--they use it and it's not working well at all for sellers. Many have feedbacks in the 80s and sell mega amounts. The sellers complain about misuse of the feedback system and unfair feedback and suspensions over there, but the mega-sellers with low feedback persist because ultimately, the buyer knows the feedback system seems inadequate or irrelevant. It is not a match with the current system here and thus, the assumptions of current buyers will not be congruent with a star system such as Amazon has. (the two scores have different meanings...star system being ultimately lower as it's easier to ding.) Keep watching the WSJ. It will get interesting.
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Is anybody threatening me with dumpings? This is not a good idea. I may have two cats in my house, but I have one horse outside. Let me teach you about retaliation. Cara -- Use Doublecatbatik.blogspot.com as starting place for the Fiber Art web ring tour!
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One horse and five mini goats plus a LARGE belgian shepard how's that for retaliation ammo?.........ROFL!
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I think it's sad when buyers or sellers can give a retaliatory feedback. if a buyer/seller looses a dispute they should not be able to post negative feedback against the one in the right. jmho
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As a seller, I never post feedback until I know my customer is 100% satisfied. BECAUSE... I don't consider it a successful transaction for either party until both are happy with the results. And I'm not happy with the results until I know the buyer is happy with the results. Now some might consider this to be my holding feedback hostage dependent on receiving positive feedback myself, but I can say that this is honestly not the case. I also put a note to that effect on my PayPal invoices, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who buys anything from me. Just some thoughts for other sellers. :) -- JeanneY
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And I wonder if eBay is keeping track of how many people are NOT using the star system? -- JeanneY
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I found a huge glitch in the star system thingie. eBay - SHAME ON YOU for making the rating system such a big factor! When you leave feedback for someone, you can do the star rating. Then if you click 'leave more feedback' it puts you onto the feedback page where you can leave feedback for multiple items, which I use A LOT. There are no stars to be checked here! People leaving multiple feedback don't have an option to rate the buyers/sellers. So.. if the rating is THAT important, everyone needs to start doing feedback one item at a time. If I am wrong about this, someone correct me please :D -- ~ Linda ~ Thanks so much for looking! Click here to see my current listings šŸ™‚
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Linda--- you have to hover the mouse--- for the star options to show
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