Will NOT SHIP TO CALIFORNIA???

[lawenv123]

Why are some sellers not shipping to California? I understand the will only ship to the continental US but I see a lot of items I'm trying to buy or bid on say; " NOTICE: I will NOT ship to California, if you win the auction and an pay online and I find your address is California I will promptly cancel and refund your money. I will not ship to California! If you have a California resale/sellers license than disregard this notice." No wonder Amazon is killing it. So does anyone know what's going on with this no shipping to commiefornia stuff?

[nobody*s_perfect]

Those are the retail prices, which very few eBay sellers would pay.

[gracieallen01]

Not necessarily in support of all of the newer laws, but California does seem to be in the running for the title of 'Poster Child of Political Correctness' in many areas.  As an example, not only is it illegal to buy or sell Ivory, but it is illegal to transport it over the state line - into or out of - California.  In fact, I've stopped trying to keep track of all of the, ah, um, er, 'ways' California is attempting to regulate things.  Sort of reminds me of one or two large e-commerce corporations.

[floridainjection]

Buyers in California are a royal self entitled pain the rump. Almost every bad sale I have ever had came from a California buyer. I cringe everytime I get a sale from there. This is in my B&M store and my ebay sales.

It could be that the seller just is fed up with California buyers.

[rpalma]

He is IN California and correctly or incorrectly believes he has to collect sales tax within his own state.

I think this used to technically be the case but may not be now.

[gracieallen01]

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@floridainjection wrote:
Buyers in California are a royal self entitled pain the rump. Almost every bad sale I have ever had came from a California buyer. I cringe everytime I get a sale from there. This is in my B&M store and my ebay sales.

It could be that the seller just is fed up with California buyers.

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As a seller in California, I can say that is an opinion I could honestly state about buyers in New York, Florida and Texas, among other places.  However, they all have one thing in common - they are 'people in our modern, self-entitled society'.

[eburtonlab]

@krazzykats 

It may also be additional fees, and/or restrictions that California has recently enacted on certain items.

I think you may be right.

California has introduced an e-waste fee for electronic items with screens above a certain size. It is not entirely clear whether the fee is supposed to apply to used items sold on eBay, but eBay has been adding the fee to the sales tax, and many California buyers are balking at paying the tax, cancelling transactions, and generally causing headaches for sellers that have no control over the situation.

That might explain why the seller apparently would sell to someone with a re-seller's license, as such a buyer would be exempt from the tax and fee.

[myboardid]

I'm on the east coast and I ship more packages to California than any other state.  I have had no problems with CA buyers at all, not even one, ever.  The few problem buyers I have do not come from any particular area of the country. 

[gracieallen01]

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@myboardid wrote:

I'm on the east coast and I ship more packages to California than any other state.  I have had no problems with CA buyers at all, not even one, ever.  The few problem buyers I have do not come from any particular area of the country. 

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I can honestly say, that over the past 25 years, I've had a problem with buyers if half of the states and almost as many countries.  However, I think the worst was when I was doing Antique Shows and dealing with Eastern or Mid-Eastern customers.  One woman sat there, as her husband was berating me for not discounting something 80%, saying "Why do you treat my husband that way?"

[myboardid]

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@gracieallen01 wrote:

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@myboardid wrote:

I'm on the east coast and I ship more packages to California than any other state.  I have had no problems with CA buyers at all, not even one, ever.  The few problem buyers I have do not come from any particular area of the country. 

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I can honestly say, that over the past 25 years, I've had a problem with buyers if half of the states and almost as many countries.  However, I think the worst was when I was doing Antique Shows and dealing with Eastern or Mid-Eastern customers.  One woman sat there, as her husband was berating me for not discounting something 80%, saying "Why do you treat my husband that way?"

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LOL! That one would have either cracked me up or made me furious, depending on my mood that day! 

[mam98031]

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@richard1rst wrote:

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@lawenv123 wrote:

Why are some sellers not shipping to California?

Could it be they are assuming that since most of the state seems to be on fire and millions of people are without power that it just isn't worth the risk to ship to a disaster area? Without being familiar with California geography to know what areas are still standing that it is just easier to exclude the whole state.

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@richard1rst 

And what would would change any of that if they had a resale certificate?  Why would the seller be willing to send it if they had one?

[corvettestainless]

Sellers are not allowed to 'NOT' ship to any particular state, except for CARB (Air Quality) issues with items that are known as '49 state' items, Then no Cali Sales are ok. This particular seller got busted for selling in Cali and not collecting tax, so they think this the work around. Cancelling sales, he will not last here (not to mention, now he does not have to collect tax.) Getting a SREA is easy, done on the web and completed in a few days, no cost unless you have big $ project sales for Cali. 

[mam98031]

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

Yes the buyer pays the tax.

And eBay remits it to the appropriate state government.

But Paypal charges the seller on the full payment that goes through the seller's account, item, shipping and sales tax.

I had a CA sale this past weekend with $142 in sales tax and I paid Paypal $4.82 for the privilege.

(We non-US sellers pay 3.4% PP fees on US payments).

If those are high priced items, the OP's seller offers, he may not be interested.

I've posted elsewhere the notice Ruby Lane sent to their sellers, which is also to charge a fee on state internet taxes.  What does AZN do about them? 

They pay directly to my bank account if I recall correctly. Sales there are abysmal.

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Yes they do and for every $1 or tax a seller will pay 3 cents in PP fees or a little less in MP.  

But this doesn't affect sales in California only.  As you know it is any sale with sales tax on it whether it is in a state that Ebay is responsible for collecting and remitting or the seller is responsible.

I don't like paying the PP fees any better than anyone else.  But it is what we have to deal with at this time.  But that doesn't change the fact that the seller the OP is talking about is clearly having a serious misunderstanding of the current sale tax laws affecting this site.

ALL money processors, to include Amazon have ALWAYS charged their money processing fee on the ENTIRE amount being processed, no matter what it was for.  Amazon is one of the sites that has had sales tax in many states long before Facilitator laws came into effect because they have so many warehouses across the US.

What Ruby Lane is doing is unusual and will certainly cause them a significant decline in the marketplace due to outrageous fees.  At least that is IMHO.  

[mam98031]

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@stickboy1974 wrote:

Talking about fees, wait until Jan 26 2020 when the new proposed postal rates kick in. 

small package from the east coast to California:

                    2019 2020

1 ounce       4.06 4.20

                      4.06 4.20

                      4.06 4.20

                      4.06 4.20

5 ounces    4.81 5.00

                       4.81 5.00

                       4.81 5.00

                      4.81 5.00

9 ounces    5.66 5.75

                      5.66 5.75

                      5.66 5.75

                      5.66 5.75

13 ounces  6.27 6.50

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Those are scary rates, but ones that most sellers on Ebay don't pay unless they take their packages to the PO and purchase their shipping there.  If they purchase their shipping from any online source, they will pay a lower rate.  

Below is a link to the proposed rate changes as they have not yet been approved by the PRC yet.  Note on page 17 the rates you state above are a bit lower and would be representative of the rates that most sellers would pay for FCP.

https://pe.usps.com/resources/PriceChange/January%202020%20-%20Notice123.pdf

@stickboy1974 

[reallynicestamps]

Sales tax doesn't account for singling out California.

I'm not assuming that the seller has the intelligence of a turnip.

He may have had one sale to California, not had any sales to the other states, and panicked.

Or he may have a hate-on for California, and this was the straw that broke the turnip's back.

Or he may have had a single customer from California who demanded a refund of the internet tax.

Who knows?

Basically it is not useful and will lead to Defects and higher fees before killing his eBay business entirely.

[lacemaker3]

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@alcoforever wrote:

I know of one seller who not only excludes CA, but all the Marketplace Facilitator states.   He used to exclude only CA because he didn't want to have to deal with the 106 different taxing jurisdictions in CA.   But now, excludes all the MF states.  I expect his sales have taken a turn for the worse.

He is easy to find:   just search for "NO CA SALES."   Interesting diatribes about taxes in his descriptions.

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I tried that search, and found multiple products from two sellers, and a few one-offs. I didn't find any listings that said anything about blocking all sales to Marketplace Facilitator states, or any diatribes about sales tax.

Most of the listings appeared to be for things like solvents, which would be considered hazardous materials, and subject to disclosure for sales to California. Interesting comment on one of the listings, which was edited to add this note in 2013. This may speak to the motivation for blocking sales to CA.

General reply about not shipping to California, or Marketplace Facilitator states:

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/fees-credits-invoices/taxes-import-charges?id=4121#section4