05-27-2022 11:05 AM - edited 05-27-2022 11:06 AM
generally speaking for a book with 2-3 pounds, postage easily goes to around 30-50GBP for Global Shipping Program, sometimes more expensive than the book itself.
more importantly it is NOT priority shipping as it claims, it usually take 2 weeks from UK to NY area. If seller ship directly from post office, half price and it takes less than 1 week to arrive.
Don't tell me US custom charge import duty for a $40 dollar book - never heard of that
05-27-2022 11:47 AM - edited 05-27-2022 11:49 AM
Global Shipping Program is not the cheapest way to ship. Have you looked at eBay Standard International Shipping? Depending on weight it can be much cheaper. They do not withhold Customs so this is part of the reason it is cheaper. Other reason is it takes longer to arrive and it is only insured for up to $100 with no additional insurance available.
05-27-2022 05:09 PM
GSP is a contracted service and the rates aren't competitive compared to most other services, however many sellers that don't want to deal with international shipping see it as a good option for them to still get a small piece of the international market.
If GSP is the only service that seller is offering for shipping to the US @mkv1985, then you can choose to purchase from a different seller. Ultimately, a seller chooses which shipping services they want to offer.
05-28-2022 02:14 AM - edited 05-28-2022 02:18 AM
It's yet another way that eBay has been driving away customers and business. Sellers may think it's a convenience, but they're only harming themselves in the long run, in my opinion.
05-28-2022 02:19 AM
You are totally correct mkv1985. The Global Shipping Program is insanely expensive for most items from the UK to US, often two or three times normal rates. I used to purchase and collect programs and photos from the UK, but thanks to GSP shipping to the US for a piece of paper is now often £18—£20 or more! Far more than the item is usually worth. It's usually about double or treble the Royal Mail international priority rates, and far more since most of this can be shipped as printed material. As you've noticed, GSP charges for priority service, but they effectively deliver standard service since the item is delayed several days by being shipped first to their processing center so that they can mangle and/or lose the package.
I understand the perceived convenience, especially with other countries and customs, but I can't believe that eBay has kept this horrible scam service for US-UK. Another problem is that sellers usually don't know the crazy rates GSP charges - when I've told them they're shocked. eBay has added another ineffectual, careless and greedy bureaucracy to the system so that they can line their pockets with exorbitant fees for doing nothing but delaying parcels and claiming it's beneficial.
I've simply stopped buying from GSP sellers anymore because I refuse to let ebay and Pitney Bowes rob me blind over and over. It's too bad because it has destroyed these small-item international collecting fields. I can hope that sellers have noticed the drop in business, but probably not since there's no accounting for someone choosing not to buy because of GSP.
05-28-2022 11:33 AM
you are right, what is more disgusting is seller usually unware of how much the GSP postage is, they thought it is convenient but actually seller's businesses are negatively impacted.
I once saw UK seller listed a book with 20GBP but GSP charges additional 50GBP postage which deters most potential buyers. but a US seller list same book for 60USD + free shipping sold very quickly
If UK sellers realize the GSP postage, they will choose Royal mail service instead and increase the item price -thus keep more profit in seller's own pocket.
05-28-2022 03:00 PM
Hi @mkv1985 / @moriconibus
Sellers don't use GPS because it's convenient. They use it because they are only responsible for getting the item safely to the GPS depot in their home country. [Pitney-Bowes is responsible for any damage that occurs after that.]
Many sellers simply don't want to risk shipping directly to foreign countries. Before GPS ... those sellers only sold locally.
Buyers DO pay more when an item is shipped via GPS ... but they have access to more items because of GPS. Buyers are able to avoid buying from sellers using GPS if they don't want the added expense.
05-28-2022 05:57 PM - edited 05-28-2022 05:58 PM
I'm just sad that so many people don't seem to realize or care about what's happening, @mkv1985, because it is being done in a compartmentalized way and potential buyers are voting with their feet, instead of their money. Here's my favorite recent GSP listing that I've seen for one 78 rpm record (no identifying information is included). Packing 78s is hard, but £70 is a bit much, I think.
05-28-2022 06:55 PM - edited 05-28-2022 06:59 PM
@house*of*paws wrote:Sellers don't use GPS because it's convenient. They use it because they are only responsible for getting the item safely to the GPS depot in their home country.
But that is the convenience, @house*of*paws. It's convenient for the seller to not worry about shipping it to the buyer and eBay presents it to sellers as being a "free" service, instead of the reality of gouging your customers with exorbitant fees for doing something that post offices and private carriers have done for centuries. That's an aspect of this that I find bizarre - that eBay would choose to partner with a non-competitive private carrier instead of one of the multiple other existing options. Customs, tarriffs, damage and delivery issues aren't new, and are usually bound by international agreements to enable mail services in the interests of citizens and commerce.
What I perceive is that eBay was not willing to protect sellers from international shipping disputes, so it became an opportunity for unscrupulous people to take advantage of sellers. Instead of carving into their annual $10 billion in revenue to protect or reimburse their sellers, eBay decided to reinvent the wheel with a poorly-chosen system, and to put the burden of paying for the issues that they have created on potential buyers. Why would buyers need to pay for protecting sellers from this systemic issue with eBay, especially when it's three times the cost of any other option? Does Pitney Bowes possess a magical formula that makes shipping problems disappear, or are they just charging for the liability inherent in the system eBay created and enforced? They are just charging buyers to be the fall guy for eBay's problems to keep sellers happy.
As for access or sellers choosing to sell internationally solely because of the "protection" that GSP offers, I guess that it would vary for different types of items. I am most familiar with collectibles and records, and they have tended to be international markets because of people actively looking for specific items. That's what I see being destroyed - the incredible worldwide marketplace that eBay was built around, and I think that's both sad to see and an incredibly poor business decision that will ultimately have a bad effect on both the company and on sellers. Without that unique marketplace, what's left? A bunch of people refusing to sell things to certain other people because eBay won't protect them if there's a problem. That common system is all eBay ever was, and they are copping out on it. Now it's either a risk or very expensive to buy or sell things from other countries, just like it was before eBay ever existed.
It's never a good idea to voluntarily limit your market, and it's an even worse idea to upset potential customers with unfair and egregious fees. Somehow, these were the exact solutions that the geniuses at eBay came up with. Frankly, it seems like a death knell for the old eBay to me. Instead of a funky peer-to-peer marketplace, it's become just another horribly bloated profit machine filled with garbage that no one wants. I don't need eBay to buy locally
05-29-2022 11:29 AM
To me, ‘convenience’ means having a mail carrier pick up packages at a seller’s home … eliminating their need to drive to the post office and wait in line.
By using the GSP the seller is reducing their ‘financial risk’ in shipping to foreign countries, where packages are more likely to be lost or damaged in transit.
Sellers have the choice of using GSP or not … and buyers have the choice of not buying items shipped via GSP if the overall cost is prohibitive.
Although I’m a buyer only … I don’t want to eliminate a seller’s choice to use GSP … as long as I still have the choice to buy from whichever seller I choose. I don’t ever to pay the higher price of using GSP if I don’t want to.
eBay sellers have far fewer rights than we buyers. I don’t see any need to take one away from them. Just sayin’. 🙂
07-25-2024 08:23 AM
@ moriconubus I have been msging this exact same thing to so many sellers on eBay and making an offer to buy their product if they will decrease shipping costs… they counter offer with taking a dollar off the price of an item, but they refused to change shipping… And you are correct in saying as I have said to them also that it is 2 to 3 times more for shipping costs than the item itself, which is ridiculous! So many sellers have lost my business most recently as a result of this seemingly newer situation! So very disappointing … I have had to forgo several things that I really wanted, but I refuse to be taken advantage of which so many people don’t look at the shipping cost, but only the cost of the item and then it’s too late when they put their payment info in only to realize after the fact that a three dollar item turned into $24! Prior to a week ago which was when I went to eBay for the first time in a while looking to shop and found so many sterling silver pieces which weigh nothing that I was set on purchasing; I found out the hard way on a ring I bought exactly how I, because I refuse to pay those prices, was duped… I thought it was getting a deal instead I was getting taken… That is how I feel about the situation and I thought to myself then that eBay was going downhill, and they would feel the effects of it if not now as soon enough! I know I am as a consumer:( PEOPLE, LOOK @ EXACTLY WHAT YOU’RE PAYING FOR, And do not be intimidated because the price is not in American dollars and cents!
07-25-2024 08:34 AM
GSP or EIS may international shipping available on products which the seller would not offer international shipping on.
Some of us would not offer international shipping if we were the exporter of record, had to learn the import laws of other countries, and prepare customs declarations. I happily shipped only domestically for years, and only offered international shipping via GSP and now EIS.
EIS is cheaper than the US version of GSP was, it is also slower. But I will not ship without tracking, and had always had cheap buyers ask for non-tracked services to save THEM money. Since that includes higher risk to me, the seller, and wasted effort on "where's my shipment" I was never interested in these sales.
If you want the item, and it is not available on better terms, buy or pass on it, but do not complain about the shipping charge. No sane seller will have any sympathy for you.