05-15-2021 08:46 PM
I am very upset at eBay. On May 4, I sold an item. May 5, I purchased a shipping label right through the eBay shipping portal. I then put the item in the mailbox. My post office picked up the item and sent it to the address, which was the same exact address the eBay system supplied to me.
May 11, I get a message from the buyer asking me why he isn't getting the item and why it is going to back me. By the nature of his question, I could tell it was going to a claim on me, because the tone implied I was behind it, yet at the same time he noted in his very question that it was going back to me, which means he saw the tracking information.
That was news to me, so I went to look up the tracking information myself. I noticed the post office at the delivery address failed at two attempts to delivery the package, and then marked it down as return to sender. So I replied to the buyer (not impolitely, but matter of factly). I explained that was something he should inquire with his post office about, that I didn't have the package, that I sent it to him using the same address supplied to me.
The next day, May 12, buyer opens an "Item Not Received" claim on me. Of course, eBay wastes no time putting my funds on hold without regard to any facts. And, of course, I was compelled to respond. So I respond by saying I have no problem with issuing a refund.....once I receive the item back. Merely by looking at the tracking information, one could easily see I hadn't even received the item back. I would have been foolish to have issued a refund at that point.
I received the item back yesterday. Right on the package was a label the post office for the buyer's address placed on it. It reads: "Insufficient Address, Unable To Deliver, Return To Sender". Totally on the buyer's end. As a seller, I did everything right. So I called eBay and I tell them I will issue a refund, but being I am expected to refund the full amount and this is all because of a bad shipping label I was sold through the eBay system, that it would only be fair for eBay to refund me the $3.51 shipping label fee. Agent even tells me once I issue the refund, they could do that.
So I go onto the case and I issue a refund. There was NO option to withhold shipping charges. This means eBay COMPELLED me to refund the ENTIRE amount. I then call eBay to request the refund for the shipping label. I got passed from one agent to another, some becoming very rude and condescending, and some were too ignorant that I just had to pay to ship something to myself because of this bad label I was sold.
The last agent I got was the only one who spoke English as a first language. And every response some kind of almost deliberately sarcastic/rude in nature by not answering the central issue. For example, the agent would repeat things like: "eBay doesn't refund shipping labels" or "eBay couldn't have foreseen that would happen" or "That isn't eBay's fault it didn't get delivered". Complete red herrings and non sequiturs.
The issue is I PAID FOR THE SHIPPING LABEL. I SENT THE ITEM. I USED THE EXACT ADDRESS INFORMATION SUPPLIED TO ME BY EBAY. THE ITEM GOT SENT BACK TO ME. EBAY COMPELLED ME TO REFUND THE ENTIRE AMOUNT TO THE BUYER. If eBay didn't require me to refund the ENTIRE amount to the buyer, eBay has a point. But then I wouldn't be sitting here writing. By requiring the seller to refund the FULL AMOUNT, as if a bad shipping label is the same thing as the buyer not sending the item at all, eBay then became responsible for the shipping label I was sold. THAT'S THE ISSUE! I never claimed eBay could have foreseen it, or that eBay caused the post office to be unable to deliver the item.
Very funny how eBay holds me to a higher standard than it holds itself to. As a seller on eBay, I have to refund the buyer the FULL AMOUNT for a bad shipping address the buyer put down on the order. But eBay won't refund me for what I paid for the shipping label.
And to think eBay is like this over a measly $3.51.
05-15-2021 08:53 PM
I wish I had something helpful for you, but I don't understand anything eBay does anymore.
05-15-2021 09:21 PM
I can be thankful about one thing. At least I learned over $3.51 and not a greater amount.
What this means is, as a seller, you have NO inherent protections by buying a shipping label off eBay. Buyer can open a claim for any reason, regardless of how accurate the reason, and the seller is compelled to resolve it. Imagine if I had sent an item that cost a good $50 to $100 or more to ship. eBay doesn't care about sticking it to the sellers. It keeps the buyers coming back, and NOT at eBay's expense.
05-15-2021 09:22 PM
I'm about done selling on eBay because of these practices.
05-15-2021 09:22 PM
The system is literally rigged against independent sellers.
05-15-2021 10:35 PM
@swimwearbargains wrote:I noticed the post office at the delivery address failed at two attempts to delivery the package, and then marked it down as return to sender.
The next day, May 12, buyer opens an "Item Not Received" claim on me.
I received the item back yesterday. Right on the package was a label the post office for the buyer's address placed on it. It reads: "Insufficient Address, Unable To Deliver, Return To Sender".
So I go onto the case and I issue a refund. There was NO option to withhold shipping charges. This means eBay COMPELLED me to refund the ENTIRE amount.
The issue is I PAID FOR THE SHIPPING LABEL. I SENT THE ITEM. I USED THE EXACT ADDRESS INFORMATION SUPPLIED TO ME BY EBAY. THE ITEM GOT SENT BACK TO ME. EBAY COMPELLED ME TO REFUND THE ENTIRE AMOUNT TO THE BUYER.
If only you had just escalated the buyer's item not received refund request @swimwearbargains the eBay robot would have just closed the case without a refund whatsoever, and feedback would be blocked/removed if already left. Because eBay says here:
To reiterate, attempted delivery, available for pickup, refused, and any others that indicate the item is available or that the recipient is the cause of potential delivery issues would be considered "Delivered" for the purposes of an eBay Money Back Guarantee case.
Then you would have been free to refund any amount you wish, or even nothing at all, without fear of feedback.
05-15-2021 11:10 PM
@swimwearbargains what @nono-8172 says here is correct. There was proof that there were delivery attempts because of tracking and yes it could be closed in your favor. You cannot open the case anymore since ebay saw that a refund was issued and will assume that the issue is resolved.
What I would do is keep that link somewhere in case something like that happens. It is a $3.51 loss and you will just have to take it. As far as I see, CS didn't do anything wrong and so didn't ebay.
05-16-2021 01:53 PM
Try calling them to get a courtesy credit.
05-16-2021 07:44 PM
Thats what I tried
05-17-2021 03:32 AM
Talk to a lawyer. Even when you agree to Terms & Conditions a company can not hide behind them if that company violates interstate commerce laws.
12-06-2022 04:26 PM
Another unethical practice with ebay is that they charge the SELLER the same percentage on to the sell of item, shipping of item, AND taxes that they charge the seller of the item! Why charge the taxes? I think all of it is unethical, but the taxes should be illegal!
12-06-2022 04:31 PM
OOps! They charge the buyer, NOT the seller but they take it out of the sales which is probably legal but ONLY if the seller includes it to the buyer. But why do they charge that much to shipping????
11-28-2024 11:27 AM
And u don't see that in itself "unethical"? At best its an unethical solution to an extremely unethical practice. Lol. How is it that ebay profits from selling shipping labels for shipping partners/companies, yet holds sellers responsible for those partners/companies failures in the 1st place? At the very least, ebay should be facilitating the situation when issues like this arise. Or lost packages in general. Its systemic indifference to issues within their marketplace..and in this specific case: for $3.51. I recently lost $40 + for a package being lost in 1 of the bad hurricanes. Im at fault tho. 1 would think ebay would have some solution to help sellers navigate the process of submitting insurance claims to the shipping companies whose products they capitalize on. But no. Its not illegal, its just sh*t business practices operating under a system that lacks good business ethics, period. What can we do tho? Bicker with customer service most of whom know very very little about detailed issues of the system.