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Should I accept the partial refund or ask eBay to step in?

I know that eBay steps in favor of the buyer most of the time when there are not as described cases (or arrived damaged) and where the buyer asks for a return, but I want to talk about my case see what could be the best course of action for me, if I stand any chance of winning if I ask eBay to step in.

 

So, I sold this very rare video game on eBay for 725$. It comes in a big box with a game guide. I sold it as is, meaning that I asked the bidder to look at the pictures I put to judge of the condition, and to ask me for any question they might have, including additional pictures. If I was forced to rate the item, I'd say it is in a very good condition. Clearly not mind or like new. The box itself has lots of scuffs and marks, whitened parts, but still pretty solid and nothing major. The guide was in a very good condition too, but it showed it has age (the game is 25 y-o). There was ONE slightly detached page (still in a very good condition despite that) that I admit to not having disclosed. Otherwise, no tears or dents. One bidder did ask me more about the guide, because obviously, a picture of the front, back, and two random places inside is not necessary enough depending on what you are looking for. So I told him the worst damage was the page, and took a picture of it. He then also asked me other questions, which I all promptly replied. My point, is that in such cases, it is the buyer's responsibility to ask questions and pictures to ensure they bid on what they actually want. A posteriori, I understand it would have been better to put the picture of the page in the listing. I thought that considering that the item was obviously not in perfect shape, such a small thing wouldn't bother, and again, that it was part of the responsibility of the buyer to ask, especially when bidding so much money.

 

So what happened: the buyer sent me a message after receiving the item telling me that I poorly packed such a rare item and that therefore the box had two smashed edges and multiple pages of the guide were coming out. He sent me a picture of one edge, and one page. I first looked at the pictures on my phone, and I honestly couldn't see much of the first picture. So I asked the guy a dezoomed picture (because he zoomed so that you could only see the dent), one of the second corner, and the other pages. He didn't send me a dezoomed picture of the corner, but he did sent the second one, and one additional page, telling me there were only two. But, it was the same page! And, judging from the picture I sent the other bidder I talked about, the same page that was already slightly detached. But I saw the corner pictures on my computer, and frankly, these were only two very small dents. You could decently see them only because he zoomed so much when taking the picture. When I compared to the picture of the listing to put it into perspective, it is easy to see that the dents are marginal at best. Tiny and shallow. Definitely not "smashed".

 

So from the get go, the buyer accuses me of poor packaging (which I guess could be better, but considering how marginal the dents are, it was pretty fine) and LIES about the condition of the item. Smashed is not just an exaggeration, it is a lie. Small dents are not smashes. 2 pages is not 1 page. Every time I confronted him with the fact that it was 1 page, he ignored me. He asked me for a 10% refund to compensate for the "damage", or a return. Having declined, he took it to eBay, asking again either a partial refund or a return for reason of "arrived damaged".

 

Do I have any chance of making my point to eBay? That the buyer is being abusive? Lying and exaggerating, being misleading (ie. the photos) in order to get 10% out of me? Plus, if the page was already partially removed, it has nothing to do with arriving damaged (if the page was damaged because of shipping, then the game box should have been MUCH more damaged - plus, I can prove it because I sent a picture to another bidder). The box is clearly not damaged and is still in the almost exact condition as it was sent. There are pictures to attest that. And eBay knows the bidder never inquired about the condition of the item, even if he seems quite crazy about it. Doesn't only his attitude puts him in a disadvantage? I guess the less risky option is to accept the 10% partial refund. From what I understand, if I loose this, he keeps the item AND the money AND I still have to pay for the large eBay fees?

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Should I accept the partial refund or ask eBay to step in?

You can offer him a one time partial refund of $20 (or whatever the cost is to return ship) or have him return the item....  10% seems too high.

 

If he does still want to return.... make sure to send a return shipping label that includes insurance.

 

IMO, you have to accept the return.  You do not want to lose this case and be out the money.   Especially since you are writing here that it is possible the item did arrive with a few new tiny dings in the box and you didn't have a picture of the damaged page in the listing.

 

 

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Is there any chance he can send back an empty box? Or a box with something else inside? How can I prove that he did send the item back? ....

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If you refuse the return you will lose the case.  eBay always, always, always sides with the buyer.  It doesn't matter if they lie, it doesn't matter how well (or not well) you described or packaged, the buyer is right, period.

 

You can insist on a return for a full refund - you will have to pay the return shipping - or you can offer a partial refund, that is your choice.  The buyer can choose to not accept the partial, or can negotiate, but you have to work it out with him regarding a partial refund.  I personally would insist on a return, but he could send back something entirely different and you would still have to refund. 

 

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Then I think it is best that I try to partially refund. He asked me 10%, what if I give him 5%. It says that if he refuses eBay could step in. What does this mean? Could I still return the item, or would he try to get a complete refund and keep the item? At the same time, I could give him 10%, and he could refuse, and then ask to return it but send something else entirely. I could be doomed either way...

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Do I have any chance of making my point to eBay? 

 

No.   

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Collectors - heck, buyers in general - have the right to be picky and get what they paid for. You don't get to decide what little dings or dents or scratches or whatever they should tolerate.

 

And no, the buyer isn't required to send you any photos at all, much less more.

 

No, you won't win.

 

Ebay let's buyers pick SNAD and that's that. Ebay isn't an appraiser, and won't go there.

 

What's your time worth? Your mental health? How much will it cost you to get it back, plus now it's in a little worse shape?

 

10% is not an unreasonable negotiating point, and you probably have room out of a $750 sale. Maybe offer $50?

 

 

 

 

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The box of rocks scenario is often discussed but I've never seen a post where it happens.

 

The real danger is that an annoyed buyer will do a crummy job of packing, leave out a piece, whatever. You could get your item back but considerably devalued. Plus, it already IS devalued because even you admit there were some shipping crunches.

 

How much do you want to **bleep** shoot and negotiate over $20 - $30? What's your time and energy worth? The health of your account?

 

...Because if Ebay steps in, you'll lose and get a demerit on your account that stays for a year.

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I also like you. Thank you

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Where are all these sellers coming from who think saying "pictures are part of the description" are coming from? Posting pictures does not absolve sellers of detailing any damage to the item being sold.

 

As far as buyers needing to ask questions, unless it is some bizarre and arcane thing, if the buyer needs to ask questions, the seller did not do their job.

 

Buyers are not responsible for asking questions. Sellers ARE responsible for full and accurate descriptions.

 

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I decided I'll have him send it back, but I highly disagree with you here. Buyers don't have the right to nitpick the slightiest of scuff marks. He got the item in 99.9% of the condition it was sent (I won't put the pictures, but you have to believe me these dents are ridiculously small and insignificant). He is obviously trying to rip me. And sure, I might agree if the item was supposed to be mint. But what if the box had one big hole in it, would the buyer be entitled for a refund because there is one additional almost invisible scuff mark? Otherwise any buyer can essentially claim not as described for any item. I reiterate my point: if he was THAT picky, he would have bid on a mint item in the first place. Or he would at least have asked me questions or additional pictures. He is OBVIOUSLY being dishonest and trying to rob money out of me, and I won't let that happen. Perhaps he'll just back off, now that I'll send the item back, so we'll see. And I am a collector myself. I myself want my items in good shape, but I understand what being reasonable and realistic means.

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On an item this expensive and collectable it`s very important to disclose anything you can think of, answer questions and provide bullet proof packaging.  You can roll the dice and have them return(you might even get more for it the second go around) or settle for a reasonable partial refund BUT if you let ebay decide, you leave it in their hands and you won`t get a choice.

"There`s always barber college" - Dalton - Road House
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Otherwise any buyer can essentially claim not as described for any item. 

 

I see that you are catching on to the program here.  Once they hit that SNAD button, your photos and description become worthless.   Neither will help you when a buyer decides to play the after sale "shakedown" ploy. 

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@this*old*attic wrote:

The box of rocks scenario is often discussed but I've never seen a post where it happens.


Since you ask, here's one of the classics, including photos. Enjoy... Smiley Happy

 

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Archive-Selling/Buyer-purchases-742-AC-Returns-a-box-of-Scrap-metal-Eb...

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Just a suggestion....if you decide to relist it I would not use auction format. Auction format can put a buyer under a sense of urgency. This type of purchase isn`t best made in haste IMO. It might take longer to sell with a buy it now format but imo it`s a much higher quality sale for both parties. Just a suggestion.....

"There`s always barber college" - Dalton - Road House
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