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PO Box exclusion ?

Seems a shame that with the killing amazon's giving everybody, that many sellers on this site will not ship to a PO Box.

Looking for a popular toy, and every  seller of a working model doesn't ship USPS.

Odd...

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PO Box exclusion ?

Actually, you can ship to a PO box using FedEx or UPS; those sellers apparently don't realize this.

 

Post offices are no longer off-limits because SmartPost and Mail Innovations puts those carriers in contact with USPS all the time anyway.

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they're likely all drop shipping from Amazon.



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Actually, you can ship to a PO box using FedEx or UPS; those sellers apparently don't realize this.

 

Post offices are no longer off-limits because SmartPost and Mail Innovations puts those carriers in contact with USPS all the time anyway.

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Why is it a shame?

You do not know a seller's reason for not allowing PO Box purchases. Do not judge. Perhaps the item is heavy and ships via UPS - UPS does not allow PO Box deliveries.
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Not ground UPS. Innovations program is more expensive and not as reliable.
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Some post offices, especially in rural areas without street delivery, promote UPS Ground and FedEx Ground/Home delivery as a special service for their box holders. The patrons must pick up their mail at the PO anyway, so it's a great convenience. The program originally started as a service for small businesses who do not maintain or staff a fixed location. The hybrid UPS and FedEx services start with the private carrier and the packages are handed off to USPS for "last mile" delivery. Mostly it's a convenience for companies who want to stick with a single carrier for all their shipping needs but reach remote and rural destinations better served by USPS. PO box holders simply provide the street address of their local PO plus a "suite number" that corresponds to the box number, much like a traditional PMB. Those with residential or business street delivery receive their packages at the appropriate address, right along with regular USPS mail. Actually, the hybrid services are cheaper than the standard UPS or FedEx ground services. That's why major mail order companies select them for their "free shipping" option -- cheap but slow. The "last mile" class of mail is generally Parcel Select, but also may be Media Mail or First Class Mail. ~~C~~
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@beaulake

 

Have you asked any of them if they will ship to a PO Box for you?

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>>Post offices are no longer off-limits because SmartPost and Mail Innovations puts those carriers in contact...

Smartpost and Mail Innovations are not the same services as FedEx and UPS Ground, and are not interchangeable. Price structures and price sweet spots are different, size restrictions are different, the hybrid services are 30-50% slower, and insurance coverage is not available for them.
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A tiny toy isn't a heavy item...

 

It's a shame for them that amazon is taking away business from users of this site.

No skin of my nose, I had to (again...) go to that other site for what should have been a simple purchase.

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No.  Looking in stores, finally realized this site may be best.  Had a lot too.

Figured by the time messages go back n forth, the shipping date for Christmas is shot. 

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@ BEAULAKE
It really doesn't matter what the item is. The seller does not ship to PO Boxes. Period. You do not know why, and it really is not your concern. Respect the seller's policies.
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@thallidguy wrote:

Actually, you can ship to a PO box using FedEx or UPS; those sellers apparently don't realize this.

 

Post offices are no longer off-limits because SmartPost and Mail Innovations puts those carriers in contact with USPS all the time anyway.


I was informed by a FedEx account rep, that FedEx will deliver to a PO Box, as long as the Physical Street Address of the Post Office is included in the address line.

However how many buyers will actually provide the Post Office street address in the payment details, which of course will cause problems for the seller if the street address is not included.

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>>I was informed by a FedEx account rep, that FedEx will deliver to a PO Box

Whether the PO will accept the delivery is the $64,000 question though.

In my case they will, because I am signed up for USPS Street Addressing (PBSA), and have submitted signed paperwork authorizing USPS to act as my agent. And not all PO locations are PBSA eligible which makes what follows more complicated.

If recipient's PO Box address is not in the program, I don't know if USPS will, can, or has to accept outside deliveries from FedEx, UPS, etc.

From the 2012 USPS PBSA Guide:

When a Customer Has Not Yet Signed an Agreement  
When a customer receives mail addressed to a PBSA, but has not yet signed the
agreement, the customer is asked to sign the agreement. The mail is delivered to the customer.
If the customer fails to sign the agreement and continues to receive mail addressed to a PBSA,
the mail is treated as undeliverable-as-addressed mail, which will be handled as authorized for
the particular class of mail or ancillary service endorsement used.

From the USPS POB Service Agreement deliveries to PO Boxes are subject to USPS Mail restrictions:

You may use this  address only for items that can be delivered through the mail. For example,
you may not use the street address to receive shipments of wine, other alcohol, items over
70 pounds or items prohibited by Postal Service policy (see Domestic Mail Manual (DMM)
Section 601), even though private carriers can carry those items. Any such shipments will be
refused or held for pickup by the private carrier. The DMM is available at http://pe.usps.com/

Documentation on this is all very old - 2012 when the SA program was rolled out and sparse, and some is no longer online that I can find.

 

In general, a seller unilaterally choosing to ship to a PO box street address (that's assuming he either has the address from the buyer for some reason, or he looks it up and fabricates it), is probably a bad idea, even though it might work depending on the employees at the receiving PO. Seller may not have any leg to stand on if it goes south as it isn't a documented procedure/policy by either FedEx or USPS, and eBay, PayPal, and banks likely wouldn't be sympathetic to non-delivery, etc issues)

 

However, if a buyer provides the address as a street address (as I sometimes do) then

1. without sleuthing there is no way for the seller to know it's a PO box and not a UPS or box  store or a small office with a suite number (although FedEx seems to recognize a USPS street address as residential)

2. whatever goes wrong as a result is on the buyer's head (assumes it was ok, but buyer isn't in SA program and his PO rejected the delivery, etc)

 

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To all you sellers out there who refuse to ship to a Po box. Sure we should respect the sellers policies but please respect the buyers too, and make it abundantly clear in your listing that you will not ship to po boxes. I have found , several times, that i bid on an item, not seeing the buyer had this restriction. once it is done we CANNOT pay for the item until something is changed, and often communication is difficult as some sellers are stubbornly unresponsive. I am embroiled in such a dilemma right now. I realize you do not care, but respect which you ask for goes both ways and some buyers do not have a delivery at home. if you really do not want these people as customers, and want to discriminate against them in this way, then it is your RESPONSIBILITY to make it very clear in your listing. Thank You. There. I've vented.

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I hate this too, got a stain on my favorite shirt, found one on ebay, was all excited, hit the Buy it Now, I could not Buy it Now because the seller has a no PO Box policy.  I even asked, but was still told no.  I have been buying from Ebay for years, it's not like I have a new account or something.  What gives? 

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