12-01-2020 08:49 PM
A customer returned something (auto part), but not in the original packaging that identifies it as genuine original equipment. That key piece of information drives my business. So, eBay tells me to close the return (full refund) and then appeal. So, now eBay is telling me I need to take what was returned and bring it to the police station to file an incident report.
Can this really be the expectation? That police stations nation wide are standing at the ready to help with eBay squabbles? And putting even more people face-to-face during a pandemic.
This seems so bizarre to me. Anyone else?
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12-03-2020 07:18 PM
ok, got my money back from eBay. If there was a process that I could recount, I would. I guess I'll just have to chalk it up to persistence and luck (in that finally someone at eBay pushed the right lever).
12-01-2020 11:32 PM
@bowens wrote:That key piece of information drives my business.
So, now eBay is telling me I need to take what was returned and bring it to the police station to file an incident report.
eBay needs you to prove you can lie to a peace offering at the police stanchion because that's not a crime.
And while your buyer gets away, eBay will cover your loss using the fees that I pay eBay.
12-02-2020 04:32 AM
We filed a police report, FBI online report, and Postal Inspector complaint. eBay didn't care and probably didn't even look at them. From that we have learned that it is best to not sell expensive items on eBay because the seller has no protection.
We went above and beyond with documentation, the reports, correspondence, even opening a topic here. Nothing mattered.
12-02-2020 06:22 AM - edited 12-02-2020 06:26 AM
IT is not clear from you post exactly what happened. Did you get an old part back? Or was it just that the part was not in the original packaging? The first situation is a scam and needs further action. The second is just the buyer not knowing your business and why the packaging was important.
Now some advice if I might be so bold? Hope this is taken in the spirit intended - to be educational and helpful.
Rule # 1 - Returns happen.
Rule #2 - Professional sellers plan for returns and work them into their business plan, the rest are just hobby seller.
So selling on eBay one needs to expect and plan for returns. That means setting aside funds to pay for return shipping and funds to offset any losses incurred from items that can not be resold or cannot be resold at the original price. I tax each sale a small percentage and put that aside in a Cookie Jar Fund. Then when a return happens have have funds set aside to pay for the return shipping and off set losses.
Now as far as when fraudulent returns happen - where a buyer returns a rock instead of the item, then I evaluate the time and effort involved in reporting that fraud versus the dollar loss. The steps one can take in that situation involve making a number of reports to various agencies. Most of that can be done on line. If one files those reports and then appeals to eBay with the numbers from those reports, eBay often will issue a courtesy refund. If you need more advice on scam returns, that can be provided.
So it appears as thought that is why eBay asked you to file a police report, a possible scam. Not that the police will do anything . (Expecting people to do for you is a problem I see a lot of when in fact doing for your self is usually the best approach. There are steps one can take in the return process to avoid scams.) But eBay's theory is that it is a crime to file a false police report so takes that as evidence of a fraud, as it were.
But this does not sound like it is the situation you have. It appears that you got your part back, but not the packaging. Did your listing clearing state that items must be returned with the original packaging? Did you note to the buyer when accepting the return that you needed the original packaging back? If there was a serial number of something on the item, why don't you have a photo record of what you shipped? Best I can tell from what was written there is no evidence of a crime here. Might have been a crime, but with no evidence....
So yes, there is a process out there for courtesy refunds from eBay that requires filing police reports, etc. Anyone is free to think this is bizarre and unusual, but it is what is. Learn about returns, how to handle them and the process of dealing with fraud and one will sleep better at night! I know once I got educated enough to banish my ignorance on returns I was able to sleep better. Hope you do too!
12-02-2020 11:05 AM
Part returned was correct, just not in the original packaging. No crime!
12-02-2020 11:54 AM - edited 12-02-2020 11:55 AM
Can you resell it and list it as "open box," no original retail packaging?
I see that a lot with power tools and in fact have bought few items that were listed that way.
You have nice pictures and good descriptions, I can't see where not having a plastic bag or box would hurt you much as long as you set the buyer's expectations up front. Then again perhaps I'm wrong?
12-02-2020 02:30 PM
yes, I have alternatives; I'm just shocked at eBay's request to bring this to the police, and was curious if anyone else has had this same experience with eBay. I've asked for them to provide something in writing regarding this policy, but they have not produced any such thing.
12-02-2020 03:20 PM - edited 12-02-2020 03:21 PM
Yes, if you read these threads, periodically there is a seller complaining that they got "ripped off" by getting a used/broken auto part (or other item) returned in place of the new part that was sent. That discussion always leads to the longer advice on how to handle fraud when it happens: which includes filing various reports with Law Enforcement agencies. That advice is focused on the steps one can take punitive to the buyer and which might lead to a courtesy refund from eBay to the seller. None of this is new. Cell phones, electronics and auto parts are particularly 'vulnerable' areas for sellers. If you haven't experienced this in your auto part sales, then I'd say you have been lucky.
Go up to the search bar and enter fraud and see how many posts come up on the subject.
So this is not new and perhaps a minor lesson learned. Hope you don't have to deal with the FULL fraud situation ever.
12-02-2020 03:49 PM
in the case of fraud, I could understand. This is really just eBay forcing me to refund 100% with the caveat to appeal, and then this mess of a process. The item in question is $300, which is why I'm pursuing this.
Something has changed, because I used to have the option to refund, say, 80%, and then I could sell the item as "New, out of box." I mean, I still can sell it that way, but not sure why I'm the one holding the bag in this situation.
12-03-2020 07:18 PM
ok, got my money back from eBay. If there was a process that I could recount, I would. I guess I'll just have to chalk it up to persistence and luck (in that finally someone at eBay pushed the right lever).
09-18-2022 05:33 AM
I have similar situation in which Buyer claims EBay told him that he did not have to return a refunded item.
ebay deducted full amount including shipping costs from my funds but buyer refuses to return item and EBay Closed case as resolved even though I disputed the claim.
My only option as this time is to file a police report in order to write off item.
it is a Shame EBay does not protect Sellers as well as Buyers in such instances.