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Comic books aren't Media Mail?!?

I bought a She-Hulk Omnibus on eBay and it arrived with this in box. This isn't a single issue like you used to buy at the convenience store--it is a bound, hardcover collection of pages. If it's not a book, what is it?
 

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From the USPS site:

 

"Media Mail packages may not contain advertising. Comic books do not meet this standard. Books may contain incidental announcements of other books and sound recordings may contain incidental announcements of other sound recordings. In accordance with standards in the Mailing Standards of the United States Postal Service, Domestic Mail Manual (DMM), Section 170, Media Mail packages must have a delivery address and the sender’s return address and are subject to inspection by the Postal Service™. Upon such inspection, matter not eligible for the Media Mail rate may be assessed at the proper price and sent to the recipient postage due, or the sender may be contacted for additional postage.

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At least it arrived. Your seller will be billed for the difference in shipping cost. You're good to go!

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Here's a chart USPS created a few years ago for all the post offices so they could have a quick reference on what can and cannot be shipped Media Mail

 

https://liteblue.usps.gov/news/link/2013/04apr/Media-Mail-Guidelines.htm

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Any ads and it not media mail. That includes old  vintage ads you can't even buy from.  

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But Omnibus collections don't contain advertising IIRC. The way I understand the wordings from the USPS site, the reason why comic books are not allowed is because of the advertising inside. Omnibus collections, trade paperbacks, and other graphic novels meet the no-advertising standard. I saw this on reddit and the OP said that the seller explained this to USPS and they were cleared.

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Another reason that ordinary comics aren't eligible for MM ,in addition to ads, is that they were "entered as periodicals" with USPS, i.e., they were mailed under a different special rate for periodicals which is cheaper because the publisher does a lot of the presorting.

 

Anyway, collections of stories that have appeared in periodicals, but which are not themselves periodicals and are ad-free, should be considered eligible for MM.  I think that whoever miscategorized your book was only looking at the pictures.

 

 

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I don`t use media mail but always found this "rule" to be pretty odd and it leaves me with way more questions than answers. Aren`t publishers awarded book rate when they fulfill their subscriptions for magazines, comic books and such? Catalogues are sent book rate aren`t they? A catalogue is pretty much one giant ad isn`t it? Why does ebay allow the option of media mail to comic sellers if it`s not allowed.? Can`t ebay / usps do something to help solve this issue? I admit I`m not the sharpest tool in the drawer but this issue has been debated for years (pun intended lol) and still remains an issue. Pretty ridiculous IMO. 

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"Aren`t publishers awarded book rate when they fulfill their subscriptions for magazines, comic books and such?"

No.  There is no specific service called "Book rate."  There are (at least) four specific USPS services to which that term could be casually applied:  Media Mail, Library Mail, Bound Printed Matter, and Periodicals.  Each of those 4 rates categories has its own eligibility criteria and it own pricing chart.

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@hillbillymedia wrote:

I don`t use media mail but always found this "rule" to be pretty odd and it leaves me with way more questions than answers. Aren`t publishers awarded book rate when they fulfill their subscriptions for magazines, comic books and such? Catalogues are sent book rate aren`t they? A catalogue is pretty much one giant ad isn`t it? Why does ebay allow the option of media mail to comic sellers if it`s not allowed.? Can`t ebay / usps do something to help solve this issue? I admit I`m not the sharpest tool in the drawer but this issue has been debated for years (pun intended lol) and still remains an issue. Pretty ridiculous IMO. 


There is nothing to debate. USPS policies are very clear and published online. 

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@hillbillymedia wrote:

I don`t use media mail but always found this "rule" to be pretty odd and it leaves me with way more questions than answers. Aren`t publishers awarded book rate when they fulfill their subscriptions for magazines, comic books and such? Catalogues are sent book rate aren`t they? A catalogue is pretty much one giant ad isn`t it? Why does ebay allow the option of media mail to comic sellers if it`s not allowed.? Can`t ebay / usps do something to help solve this issue? I admit I`m not the sharpest tool in the drawer but this issue has been debated for years (pun intended lol) and still remains an issue. Pretty ridiculous IMO. 


Catalogs are sent 'bound printed matter' - the publisher/originator does the sorting and palleting and delivers it to the post office pre-sorted - it's why it's so cheap - all the post office has to do is deliver them, with no additional work.

 

eBay isn't going to police media rate eligibility, though - it's up to the seller to know what they're doing.

 

It's unfortunate this happened to the buyer as I think the determination in this case was off, but glad to see the USPS doing something about the rampant abuse of media mail.  I once had a coffee maker shipped to me media mail. 🙄

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"There is nothing to debate. USPS policies are very clear and published online. "

 

but it has been debated many times simply because everyone does not know the actual rules or where to find them.  I never even knew there was rules to it until I started frequenting this forum. I had some questions that a few others below have answered and it`s appreciated, Thank you

"There`s always barber college" - Dalton - Road House
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USPS Has long stated that single issue comic books are not to be shipped media mail. 
Graphic novels which are usually hardbacks and trade paperbacks which are softcover or paperbacks Do not contain the advertisements that the USPS Deems unmailable.

they still contain comics which is why when most buyers go looking for graphic novels or trade paperbacks they look in the comic section.

Comics are listed under the collectibles category on eBay and now eBay has blocked the usage of media mail when you choose to use the collectible comics Header to sell your books.

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Apparently somehow the USPS has convinced eBay That they are responsible to make the Postal Service’s job easier

And apparently the United States Postal Service has so much work to do that they can’t get packages anywhere on time, without busting the heck out of them, or leaving them on your porch to be stolen, or cramming an obviously meant-to-be flat package in half so they can jam it in a mailbox full of 20 other letters and or small packages… but they somehow find the time to open packages and look through them to make sure that people are not sending single issue comic books.

and yet now they have gone against what they previously stated and are now blocking the usage of media mail for sending graphic novels and trade paperbacks.

 

And have employed eBay to react in the same manner

 

In their ignorant rage they have decided that they will destroy everything that is possibly marked media mail.

whether it is used correctly or incorrectly they will cut or rip the item inside whether it is an actual book that is “legal” to send by media mail or if it happens to contain artwork on paper …which sends USPS into a spiral of discontent.

 

Now we are expected to charge double to our buyers or more by using priority mail , their golden gleaming always hungry baby, from one side of the nation to the other side of the nation and pay well into the $15 range for what should cost a maximum of five dollars and God forbid you don’t put it in a box because any other method is simply asking them to dip it in water, step on it or get it caught between a door and then throw it at your front door and blame you for having the audacity for giving it a hard place to land.

And eBay has said …yes please

yes sir

thank you ….

wonderful Burger King of the US government

your wish is my command

thank you

you’ve put another 20% from these shipping hikes in our pockets for this wonderful idea

 

let’s all charge three or four times more for a simple comic book because the United States Postal Service is too busy stabbing packages instead of just handing them off to the next guy to get them where they’re supposed to go

And let’s force the sellers to sell (what is obviously known to the entire world as a collection of COMICS in a thicker form with no ads in it ) their trade paper backs in graphic novels only in the book section because if you list it in the comic section where people are able to find it you will be forced to pay double to ship it.

it’s only been a couple decades since the comics code authority was told by the comics community that they are no longer needed

and yet here we are again with a supposed authority Telling us where to go and what to do with the work of anybody who happens to draw on paper and sell it to the good people of the United States.

 

comic book sellers now have two choices

 

• Present shipping rates so high that you will not have sales in the comic section on eBay

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• List your graphic novels and trade paper backs in the book section where they will not be found …when the buyers obviously look to buy comics in the comic section.

 

all of this will obviously lead to single issue comics being shipped as light as possible so that they may still be considered first class under a pound and with inadequate protection slowly and surely everything that has been kept nice and in collectible condition will be destroyed if shipped in this manner.

 

 

 

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Just having ads in it prevents it from shipping media mail.  That includes old ads you can't even buy from.

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Hi everyone,

 

Due to the age of this thread, it has been closed to further replies. Please feel free to start a new thread if you wish to continue to discuss this topic.

 

Thank you for understanding. 

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