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"Ad Fee Standard" is not only added to the sale price item.

As a seller, when I choose "Ad Fee Standard" to list an item, I understand that there will be a percentage charge on my sold item if it was sold by a buyer who choose to purchase my item from an eBay add, and I am ok with that... However, as a seller are you aware that the percentage that you will be charged from eBay is not only on the sold item price but also on the shipping charge (in which eBay is already taken a percentage of the shipping charge for the item sold, but it is also adding the percentage of "Ad Fee Standard" and also, the "Ad Fee Standard" percentage charge will be added to the SALES TAX that the buyer pays, in other words; eBay is making profits by charging the sellers a percentage on the SALES TAX that the buyers are paying. 

Sellers: Are you OK and understanding that you are paying the "Ad Fee Standard" not only on the sold price of an item, but also on the shipping charges, and on the sales tax? Isn't eBay committing a FEDERAL VIOLATION by charging their sellers "Ad Fee Standard" on the SALES TAX that buyers are paying? 

Another great example of how sellers are nickel and dimed. Not feeling the Love!!!

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"Ad Fee Standard" is not only added to the sale price item.

They announced the change.......no one likes it.......if you disagree, you don't have to choose to use it.........

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"Ad Fee Standard" is not only added to the sale price item.

It seems like the majority of eBay sellers are well aware of eBay's fee schedule.  If not, they can read about it in several places, preferably before they start selling.

eBay's final value fee is calculated on the item price, the shipping cost and the state sales tax, if applicable.

And, I have no idea how many attorneys eBay employs, but I bet at least one or two of them have checked into the legality of their fee structure and have found it to be legal.

BTW, my understanding from posts here is that other selling venues charge their fees the same way.

BTW:  In your post "if it was sold by a buyer. . ."-- what does that mean? 

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"Ad Fee Standard" is not only added to the sale price item.

"Isn't eBay committing a FEDERAL VIOLATION by charging their sellers "Ad Fee Standard" on the SALES TAX that buyers are paying? "

NO

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"Ad Fee Standard" is not only added to the sale price item.

This change---PLS fee being charged on item price, shipping and sales tax, instead of just item price, was announced in the Seller Update earlier this year, and went into effect in June. Sellers who pay attention to these things are aware of it. I doubt that many, if any, are happy about it, as it is a revenue boost for ebay and an additional cost for us.

 

It is not illegal, and it aligns with the way ebay has been calculating the regular FVF for a number of years. 

 

I don't like it. I continue to use PLS, but generally at a  lower rate than I had been using before the change. I'm guessing I'm not alone in this. 

 

You can continue to use it or not. Your choice. And the rate you choose is still your choice, as well. (Although they also raised the minimum, so you can't choose less than 2% now.---Just one more change that benefits ebay but is just an extra cost for sellers)

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"Ad Fee Standard" is not only added to the sale price item.

Wow! Did you read the seller update? Clearly fing not lol. This was clearly stated and we were told that this was going to happen so I don't know why you would complain about it. If you don't like it then go sell somewhere else. This is not a "federal violation" because had you would've read eBay terms and conditions that you ACCEPTED then you would see that YOU AGREED to this. Honestly although it is a big deal, it's not for most sellers on eBay as I'd say 95% to 98% of sellers on eBay are casual sellers and most likely don't use promoted listings or use the very minimum(2%). I on the others hand use promoted listings on 100% of my listings & had to bring it down by over 10% which was fine because most sellers jumped off the promoted listings train when this happened so it worked out anyway. Good luck and next time stay up to date on the seller updates especially since it looks like you sell over 50 items a month which equates to roughly 1 or more per day.

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@laststopgeneralstore  We don't have the data to know how well these PLS changes worked for ebay, but I suspect you are right: Some sellers stopped using it entirely, many probably reduced the rates they were paying...I'm not sure that was the result ebay was looking for. Of course, if people don't get sales, they might return to using PLS, and others might decide its worth it to increase their chosen rates again. But for now, I've been doing OK with a pretty low rate. 

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Agreed but if you take a store that doesn't use promoted listings and then promoted all of their listings at, lets say 5% for 30 days then your going to see a huge increase in traffic and most likely sales. The problem with most sellers that complain on these boards is that they have no patience. You can't turn promoted listings on for 1 days and then complain if your traffic/sales didn't shoot thru the roof instantly lol. I used to be that way until I learned that when you make a change on here it has to be for at the very least 30 days but ideally 90 days.

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 here is the real rub on promoted listings!  eBay made $293 on my promoted campaign and I netted less than $10 in sales profit from it! Promoted listings are not meant to help the sellers get visibility and sales, they are meant to move money from our pocket to ebay's.  Had I done nothing I would have sold less, but at a higher profit margins, but shipped less and worked less...... PL are a scam for most sellers... Not all I'm sure. But they do run the search experience for all of us. I'm sick of being shown pl of party plates when I search for a pair of shoes.... Or earings when I search for a car part!   PL is ruining eBay and milking it's users the whole way down

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@siamjane8  $9.60 is not your net profit. It is your "return on investment"....which is a pretty dumb way for ebay to talk about this, but basically, ebay is saying, for every $1.00 you spent on PL, you brought in $9.60 in sales generated. (2813.19 divided by 293.03) I don't think this is the regular way to figure ROI, which would be (2813.19- 293.03=2520.16), so 2520.16 divided by 293.03=$8.18 dollars in sales generated as the ROI.

 

Your net for those sales would be 2813.19 less the PLS fees, the FVFs, any other fees paid to ebay, the price you paid for the goods, etc.

 

I don't think of as PLs as a scam for most sellers. But it's like anything you spend on your business: it's up to each seller to understand the impact of costs on the business. If you are paying too much in PL fees, you need to figure out how to reduce that (while hopefully not reducing your sales velocity)

 

 

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"Ad Fee Standard" is not only added to the sale price item.

Do you really think that eBay made a random change to a fee without running it by their legal dept first?

 

eBay is not a small company, and they do business worldwide with over 10k employees at last count. Their legal department is large and very diverse. They have to be as their risk is huge. 

 

They announced the change on promoted listing fees well in advance with plenty of time for sellers to react. If you were not aware of the change, I would pay a little closer attention to the emails eBay sends out. 

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@my-cottage-books-and-antiques 

   Sorry for the confusion- I realize that it was not my net profits for the individual items.    I have reread you post several times and am trying to wrap my mind around it...... The problem is that there is no transparency with promoted listing and when you promote them- they no longer show in organic results( i know they do sometimes based on criteria that ebay does not disclose etc...), so there is no real way to confirm the actual value of the fees.   I sell unique items that people go out of their way to search for so its completely possible that those sales would have happened organically anyway.

    I understand your calculations and if that is what ebay is saying- seems like a useless metric.  Too many variables that effect it in the real world.

   An actual return on my investment would be my true net profit divided by the PL fees- NOT the gross sales.

     I realize that ebay has no way to know my net profit considering purchase price etc so they could not show that figure.

Any more thoughts?- I do want to get this straight in my head because at this point I see no value in promoting / although i do understand that a different sellers with different good could find it helpful to pay for better placement

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@siamjane8  Like a lot of data ebay provides, this might be more useful for sellers who function more like traditional retailers, with multi-quantity listings, most stuff bought at wholesale, retail arbitrage, etc., and stuff that, generally , is not way out at the end of the "long tail"

 

The kind of stuff many of us here sell is single quantity ,long tail used or vintage sourced from estate sales, flea markets etc.  Lots more variables with what we sell, and so the data ebay provides is often less useful.

 

I don't like the new way of calculating PLS (on total price) and I'm not happy about the increase in the minimum from 1 to 2%. But I continue to use it (although at a reduced rate from what I had usually been using.)

 

Why?

 

I want increased sales velocity, and I do think PLS can help with that (although, as you say, there is no way to know whether an item would have sold without it or not).

 

How does PLS help me with sales velocity?  Most of my stuff probably shows up on the first page of search results without PLS IF the buyer has used a narrow enough search term. But it's long tail stuff, which means---usually--- not a lot of people are searching for it in the first place. So I don't think getting the top spot with PLS makes much difference for me. I suspect the real value with PLS is that ebay shows my PLS items on many other pages and I think that's where most of my PLS sales come from: In other words, many of them are more like impulse buys....buyer wasn't searching for exactly what I'm selling, but when they look at something else and see my item, they decide: "Oooh, I like that..." and "click", I get a sale. If it's a true impulse buy, they don't do a full search to see if my price is lowest, they just buy it because there it is.

 

So, I do see value in it for me. If I can keep the fee low enough.

 

Fortunately, I have good margins on most of my stuff, so  I'm willing to make the trade off, same as I'm willing to send out offers to watchers. I guess one way to look at it is to forget that ebay is getting it as a cut. Try to think of it this way: $40.00 item. If I'm willing to offer that at, say, $37.50 because I'll still make a decent profit, then I can also sell that $40 item for full price and reduce my cut by paying ebay $2.50 for PLS...either way, I'm making less and I'm willing to do it because I have strong enough margins.  (Of course, the tighter the margins, the more difficult this becomes).

 

It's all about the margins. It's one thing if I paid $1.00 for that $40.00 item, it's a whole other thing if I paid $30.00 for it.

 

Each seller has to do some math and figure out what works (or doesn't work)

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@my-cottage-books-and-antiques  I agree with you on everything you just said. When i ran a PLS promotion- I'll admit- a good portion of things that sold- I do believe we in the "other" pages of ebay. A random no name carved duck or a generic candlestick etc. small value items with no brand name or way to drill down in search benefit from being shown else ware for impulse purchases like you mentioned.   An expensive brand name unique item that there are only 5 of them listed on ebay- just throwing money away. I may continue to use PLS to clear out generic junk....

    Like you, the way I source- I have very high margins, in fact i dont even track it because i buy in bulk and usually pay for everything within the first several listings and then the other 200 listings are 100% profit.  So i have room to promote or do coupons or sales or best offer.     

    I use best offer  every couple of days and run a sale here and there- that adds value to the buyer because they see the reduction in price- and that is a happy buyer that will come back to ebay.   From the various posts- I see that sellers are now raising the prices in order to promote their items!- that is worse for the buyer and paying more for the item on ebay than else ware does not encourage repeat business.

    I think you are right though- my biggest hang-up is that ebay is getting a larger cut for providing less in the way of service. Instead of generating more buyers with advertising or fixing the search to show relevant result which will increase conversion 10 fold- they are simply feeing the sellers to death- I would rather give a buyer 20% off than ebay 3% to promote.....  It like i dont want to reward ebay for taking the easy short term way out. its just a bad cycle that has aiding to the decline of the platform.

     When sponsored listings show up on google or amazon- as a buyer, I ignore them but they are always relevant to the search-----------Ebay promoted listings that show up are so irrelevant that its insane- no way that helps conversion to show a dining room chair when a tile cutter was searched.    Just this morning my buddy called and was telling me how his wife was searching ebay for woman's red high heals shoes and the fist 4 listings were sponsored crocks! Not even close other that they are both go on feet.  That's what is annoying.

PLS & PLA have allowed sellers to pay for keywords and placement that are not truly relevant to the listing so its like keyword spamming- I am wondering if that is what is making the search SO bad lately?

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