10-28-2018 03:54 PM
If a seller describes an item precisely and then the buyer didn't see the description correctly. Why do sellers have to eat the shipping costs? The buyer should have to pay the return shipping and get a refund for the amount of the item. (In other words, the buyer should not get a full refund) Sellers get the shaft here!
10-28-2018 03:56 PM
I had to refund for the shipping costs and for the item. The buyer has to pay for the return shipping costs. Why do sellers have to refund for shipping costs out of their pocket? Seems like ebay takes care of idiotic buyers more so than honest sellers.
10-28-2018 05:15 PM - edited 10-28-2018 05:16 PM
10-28-2018 05:35 PM
@luckythewinner wrote:
@glock9mm wrote:Why do sellers have to eat the shipping costs?
Because eBay knows that if buyers did not get a full refund for a return, they would simply get their full refund a different way - by filing a false SNAD and claiming the item was not as described.
I may be wrong but I don't believe a buyer can, after being turned down for a claim, open another claim for the same item using a different reason, and have it approved. At least as long as the seller stays on top of things and calls ebay about it to point that out. There are records of every transaction and it is easy to verify.
Energy surely flows where attention goes.
10-28-2018 05:45 PM - edited 10-28-2018 05:47 PM
Just be glad they do it the way they do!
When managed payments comes to be the rule of the day, it will be $20 more - into ebay's pocket - if the buyer does a chargeback and wins, instead of the seller just out and out paying for shipping.
10-28-2018 05:50 PM
@mycarolinavintage wrote:
@luckythewinner wrote:
@glock9mm wrote:Why do sellers have to eat the shipping costs?
Because eBay knows that if buyers did not get a full refund for a return, they would simply get their full refund a different way - by filing a false SNAD and claiming the item was not as described.
I may be wrong but I don't believe a buyer can, after being turned down for a claim, open another claim for the same item using a different reason, and have it approved. At least as long as the seller stays on top of things and calls ebay about it to point that out. There are records of every transaction and it is easy to verify.
Energy surely flows where attention goes.
They can file with Paypal and if they used a debit or credit card to fund the PayPal payment, they can file there.
10-28-2018 05:58 PM - edited 10-28-2018 05:59 PM
Not nearly as bad as Amazon. I sold on Half.com back in the day, then was forced to migrate to Amazon. Great place to buy from high volume sellers, but not for someone that sells their own stuff to make extra cash.
10-28-2018 06:42 PM
eBay policies are idiotic
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Those are not really ebay policies! ebay is not capable of making their own policy, they just follow the credit card and payment processors policies, and please don't ask what ebay can do for you, ask what you can do for ebay...
10-28-2018 08:08 PM
@mycarolinavintage wrote:
@luckythewinner wrote:
@glock9mm wrote:Why do sellers have to eat the shipping costs?
Because eBay knows that if buyers did not get a full refund for a return, they would simply get their full refund a different way - by filing a false SNAD and claiming the item was not as described.
I may be wrong but I don't believe a buyer can, after being turned down for a claim, open another claim for the same item using a different reason, and have it approved. At least as long as the seller stays on top of things and calls ebay about it to point that out. There are records of every transaction and it is easy to verify.
Energy surely flows where attention goes.
The buyer can always ask eBay to step in and make the final decision even on a remorse return. They also have paypal disputes and credit card chargebacks.
10-28-2018 08:15 PM
If the buyer opened a SNAD case, you have to pay return shipping and refund the entire original payment.
If the buyer opened a Remorse return, and you charged shipping (not a free shipping listing), you will have the option to refund the item price only.
This is how it is supposed to work if you handle your returns on your own. If either party asks eBay to step in, the results can be quite different (and costly to you)
10-28-2018 08:15 PM
Paypal does allow Disputes for 180 days from payment, but the Buyer is required to pay return shipping, even if the seller made a mistake and shipped the wrong thing.
Card policies differ.
Here in Canada,credit cards do have chargebacks, but debit cards, which draw only from the holder's bank balance not his credit allowance, do not have a chargeback ability.
10-28-2018 08:41 PM
10-28-2018 08:56 PM - edited 10-28-2018 09:00 PM
It doesn't matter what your return policy is. If the buyer wants a free return, he will get it. Buyers will lie, and eBay will simply say "The buyer says it doesn't work." Or, "He said it doesn't match the listing's description." They won't accept the sellers word, or any evidence from outside of eBay. Doesn't matter if you have 500,000 completed transactions, or 100% positive FB. Before the new auto accept policy, I could sometimes get a buyer to acknowledge they were unsure if the item I sold them was defective, or their part (I sell TV parts) was doing the same as mine, and then I could usually win a case. Now I have no leverage. The return is instantly accepted and many don't even respond to my questions. Since eBay is going to charge an extra 4% for sellers with high SNAD rates, which is probably every seller in my category, I finally just switched to free returns on all electronic parts. I actually have to tape a note on them advising that returns are free and asking that they don't claim an item is defective if they aren't 100% sure it is, or they will still claim defective thinking they have to for a free return. It's been effective. I don't really have any more returns than I had before, but I have about 80% less claiming SNAD. From a business standpoint, I understand eBay's policies. An upset (not my first choice of words) buyer may never buy here again, and they can't make anymore money from him. An upset seller who actually earns his living here will get over it, because he actually does earn a living here. And the sellers who do actually leave, there's millions more waiting to replace them.
10-28-2018 10:06 PM - edited 10-28-2018 10:10 PM
@mycarolinavintage wrote:
@luckythewinner wrote:
@glock9mm wrote:Why do sellers have to eat the shipping costs?
Because eBay knows that if buyers did not get a full refund for a return, they would simply get their full refund a different way - by filing a false SNAD and claiming the item was not as described.
I may be wrong but I don't believe a buyer can, after being turned down for a claim, open another claim for the same item using a different reason, and have it approved.
You missed my point.
If eBay changed the return policy and made buyers pay shipping both ways, no buyer would ever use it. They would use a SNAD instead.
IMHO the eBay return policy that only costs the seller shipping one way is actually reducing the chances that the seller will have to pay shipping both ways.
10-29-2018 08:10 AM
@behgre_0 wrote:
@mycarolinavintage wrote:
@luckythewinner wrote:
@glock9mm wrote:Why do sellers have to eat the shipping costs?
Because eBay knows that if buyers did not get a full refund for a return, they would simply get their full refund a different way - by filing a false SNAD and claiming the item was not as described.
I may be wrong but I don't believe a buyer can, after being turned down for a claim, open another claim for the same item using a different reason, and have it approved. At least as long as the seller stays on top of things and calls ebay about it to point that out. There are records of every transaction and it is easy to verify.
Energy surely flows where attention goes.
They can file with Paypal and if they used a debit or credit card to fund the PayPal payment, they can file there.
They can file, yes they can. However, if Paypal is informed about the previus claim, they will, more than likely close the case in the seller's favor.