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Over the last 6 months I have really dived into these discussion boards reviewing EBAY fees, increases and whatever. I want to present a hypothetical situation which some of the result applies to all of us. One note, I had this discussion with a friend and from past experience. Let's say a person purchases an abandoned storage unit every month. Your costs were to purchase is $400/month. Thats $4800/yr. So, let's say you donate roughly half of the storage unit to goodwill, the other half you sell on a platform and lastly you have rented a storage unit for $125/month to house your items that you purchased. Tax implications, you have a LLC it's a business. Tax write-offs include the storage unit u rented, any use of your car to and from a facility to ship your products, pick up supplies, maybe you rented a U-Haul or used your car to pick up your items, and the list goes on. So, my final statement is, does a .35% increase in seller fees on a platform really play into the overall numbers? No, in this case it does not. In other case's maybe so but I doubt it. What we sometimes forget is all the extras that can be applied to our taxes that we are not accounting into the equation. I am sure some people will contradict me but so be it. I know the numbers based on this situation. 

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@traditonalproducts wrote:

Over the last 6 months I have really dived into these discussion boards reviewing EBAY fees, increases and whatever. I want to present a hypothetical situation which some of the result applies to all of us. One note, I had this discussion with a friend and from past experience. Let's say a person purchases an abandoned storage unit every month. Your costs were to purchase is $400/month. Thats $4800/yr. So, let's say you donate roughly half of the storage unit to goodwill, the other half you sell on a platform and lastly you have rented a storage unit for $125/month to house your items that you purchased. Tax implications, you have a LLC it's a business. Tax write-offs include the storage unit u rented, any use of your car to and from a facility to ship your products, pick up supplies, maybe you rented a U-Haul or used your car to pick up your items, and the list goes on. So, my final statement is, does a .35% increase in seller fees on a platform really play into the overall numbers? No, in this case it does not. In other case's maybe so but I doubt itWhat we sometimes forget is all the extras that can be applied to our taxes that we are not accounting into the equation. I am sure some people will contradict me but so be it. I know the numbers based on this situation. 


Nothing in your post gives any information that helps determine whether the .35% increase plays into the overall numbers. 

 

Let's say that the items you sell each month sell for a total of $4800 plus $2400 in shipping charges, and your net profit after all costs and expenses and fees was $1000. 

 

Figuring an average sales tax of 5%, the .35 % fee on $7560 is $26.50 which represents 2.65% of your profit. IMHO that would be a clear impact 

 

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My point is that a lot of people are not utilizing their deductions. As in some of the responses my guess is correct. Yes, an increase is an increase no doubt but some of the deductions can offset the increase specifically if one is not using the tax deductions properly. Yes, at some point a minimal increase on a selling price should happen over time. 

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and what impact is the $26.50 utilized on a deduction? You get some of that back. Also keep in mind EBAY does most of the accounting for you which eliminates what? Your time and a CPA's time which cost money. 

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Not to mention the tax implications of deducting that % over the years should you sell your home.

"If a product doesn't sell, raise the price" - Reese Palley
"If it sold FAST, it was priced too low" - also Reese Palley
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"Nothing in your post gives any information that helps determine whether the .35% increase plays into the overall numbers."

 

Because it does not in my example. take the $4800 + $1500 for the year. Let's say the NET result is $30,000 selling on platforms + add in additional monies for items that were sold for $3000 cash. So, the .35% has zero bearing on this example. It's nothing compared to the write offs and profit. These items are NOT buy/resell thus the goal is to make as much money as possible to recoup and add profit to the investment. Lastly, as stated, the ,35% could have a small impact on buy/resell. 

My example DOES NOT represent every situation. 

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The 0.35% change may not be a big deal for most sellers, but for eBay it adds up. Assuming that eBay's GMV (Gross Merchandize Value) is about $80B dollars/year it amounts to $280,000,000. Given the decline in GMV and active users that eBay has experienced post-Covid, they will need every penny of it.

 

Mike

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@coltsde29 wrote:

I see what your saying. That's goes well if that is your first year doing all that. If you have already  been doing that same way the last few years there's  no way possible that you wouldn't see the increase. Every  increased fee no matter how big or small it my be comes out of your  pocket and will be noticed on the bottom line. I don't understand when people say you won't notice. The only way is if you sell 1 or 2 things in a year. If you sell 200 items a month with a .35 increase  that is $70  a month times that  by a year and it's $840 a year. Would you  notice if you were missing  $840 ? I sure would


On $840 worth of sales X 0.35% = is about $3.00


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@traditonalproducts wrote:

Agreed. I have never utilized the home office deduction. I have been lucky enough to to have worked remote since 1998 plus my LLC. Its not worth the headache of an audit.


Why would you assume to use this as a deduction = audit?  That simply is not true.  Just follow the guidelines for it as set forth by the IRS and you'd be fine even if you had an audit.


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@pennysdream wrote:

To make this point real.  I went to a train show thanksgiving weekend.  If I had been smart enuf to realize it, the most of the trip could have been written off... 


Can't you recover some of your receipts?  From your charge card / debit card, or if you stayed in a hotel, ask them for a copy of the invoice, etc.  While you may not recover all of it, you may get some additional things you can deduct.


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@traditonalproducts wrote:

My point is that a lot of people are not utilizing their deductions. As in some of the responses my guess is correct. Yes, an increase is an increase no doubt but some of the deductions can offset the increase specifically if one is not using the tax deductions properly. Yes, at some point a minimal increase on a selling price should happen over time. 


How do we know they aren't?  Or is this an assumption.


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@traditonalproducts wrote:

and what impact is the $26.50 utilized on a deduction? You get some of that back. Also keep in mind EBAY does most of the accounting for you which eliminates what? Your time and a CPA's time which cost money. 


Ebay does NONE of the accounting and no seller should depend on them to do that either.  Keep your own records.  ALWAYS keep you own records.  You can get reports from Ebay, Amazon, PayPal and other sites that will tell you what ran through you account and how much the expenses you paid on their site for different things like fees and shipping.  But there are more costs that just that.  These sites have NO knowledge of those numbers, EVER.

 

All Sellers should track their own sales and expenses.  Use the reports you can get from the site or sites you sell on as a cross check for your numbers.  Never solely depend on a site to tell you everything.  They simply don't know all the information and they could make a mistake too.  You would not know that unless you keep your own records.


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@toomuchstuffagain35 wrote:

Not to mention the tax implications of deducting that % over the years should you sell your home.


@toomuchstuffagain35 

 

What specifically do you mean?  


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@argy_eyes wrote:

The 0.35% change may not be a big deal for most sellers, but for eBay it adds up. Assuming that eBay's GMV (Gross Merchandize Value) is about $80B dollars/year it amounts to $280,000,000. Given the decline in GMV and active users that eBay has experienced post-Covid, they will need every penny of it.

 

Mike


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What also adds up is the reduction in fees and shipping sellers get that are in EIS [Ebay International Shipping] program.  The EIS program has some great benefits for sellers on Ebay's dime.  So this program has a big expense to Ebay.  Hence, the fee increase to cover these costs.

 

Historically this is what Ebay does.  Fee decreases in some area and fee increases in others.  


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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Because the room is split in half with me and my wife who is not remote. The numbers in my case would be very minimal. 

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Read through the post. 

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