@valueaddedresource wrote:
@vintagecraze50 wrote:
OK, so twitter when Trump was bellowing about his divergent point of view regarding the election results was allowed to post his divergent point of view to the point where barbarians invaded the White House. Oh yes he had freedom of speech to a point. Fido and others posting on the blog where expressing continuous and unfettered negative comments about the CEO, and the company in general. Enough to anger the higher ups who of course want to protect their company. The relevance of peoples negative comment can get really out of control and be NOT representative, nor true of what they are babbling about. Buy hey, that’s for the public to decide right.
@vintagecraze50 I'm curious how many of the Fidomaster/unsuckEBAY comments you actually read?
It's easy to get stuck in bubbles and echo chambers (in politics, in corporate executive offices, or even in forums like this community) and while I'm not in favor of simply always going with the crowd, sometimes yes, taking a read on public sentiment can be instructive and helpful to make sure we're not missing something.
Toward that end, I've had some interesting conversations with people in my personal and professional sphere who are completely outside of any bubbles on this topic - they don't buy or sell on eBay, had never heard of EcommerceBytes or Fidomaster/unsuckEBAY, and had no prior knowledge of any of the execs involved or anything else about the case.
Some of them are people with no specific industry experience or expertise that would be applicable, others are lawyers, mainstream national media journalists, corporate executives, market analysts etc. who do have general knowledge in applicable areas.
When I've asked their impressions after reading about what happened in this case and then reading a representative sample of Fidomaster/unsuckEBAY's comments on EcommerceBytes and Twitter, they've all basically said they think the comments were certainly often critical of eBay but mostly appeared to be in the spirit of helping buyers and sellers and advocating for improvements - and that nothing in either the articles or comments could possibly justify the reactions of the eBay executives or the multiple federal felonies that were committed as a result.
Chris Cuomo is a friend of mine albeit we have spoke since he got on News Nation except for one call in I made to the show. If you know people media mainstream national or even local then you know they are public figures and subject to crap all the time, literally. Threats, stalking, directed attacks from big business and then some. The CEO of eBay, public figure, Congressman public figures. I'm a friend of Cheri Jacobus who's done journalism, top notch political campaign strategist, one of the best in fact. She worked for GOP until asked by Trump to help him claiming he was self-funded which she found be a lie. Her life literally was threatened to the point the NYPD redirected her on her way home to her NYC Apt. as they'd found directed violence was going to take place against her. They destroyed her career and atop that she rather mysteriously got cancer.
I don't think anybody believe the actions against this family were not just WAY WAY wrong and the perpetrators proved to be guilty subject to law. The civil suit names those principles and those not found by law to be culpable regardless of "he said/she said." Evidence that hold up to a DA.
I question suing the corporation and I'm sure there exists case law towards that end. Again, the family are public figures, they produce via a business a journalistic blog reporting on eCommerce. They choose to be public figures just as if I were to produce one. That doesn't give Perp's right to stalk, harass or threaten me albeit it happens on said venues every single day someplace(s) around the land.
I moderate a tech and political blog at times both quite large. I've transected threads, deleted them, banned users and had threats tossed my way too and in theory I'm not a public figure. I've even had "Heebie Jeebie" stuff directed which whether one care believe it or not is quite real, my ex lady beyond being a politician is a very gifted person in the paranormal. Believe me, you'd be VERY surprised at what can and does happen in this so called "Civilized land" barely more civilized than that of the Crusades just different mechanisms and means.
How these people became so concerned about some little blog to the point of waging a terror campaign is just unbelievable whack.
As I said locally there was a blog ripping on our school district, Superintendent and then some and quite a bit of what was said pretty valid. District employee's were directed to wage a campaign upon them and they did and were caught at it. When they tried get damages different deal, The Board of Education didn't direct it. The operators of the Blog which was not a business were deemed public figures by their choice and it went absolutely nowhere albeit it helped clean up the school district.
On the flip side for example those eBay administration folks who were apparently defamed on said venue could readily perhaps still do so seek information pertaining to who defamed them. Its not uncommon at all with forums and blogs that those owning the place have ghost account they use to create havoc indirectly, happens constantly not that I'm saying that happened here, but it does happen all the time. That would change a formula of instigation which still does not make anything that happened to this family righteous yet apparently fostered the situation. If I were eBay being sued, I'd certainly demand that data seeking a court order to do so. Now as "public figures" the CEO may or may not be able be granted a court order towards that end, no clue. I can tell you very often judges need weigh that of folks deciding to be public figures. If every citizen or business that's threatened actionably or not Chris Cuomo, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Racheal Maddow were successfully sued they'd be among the wealthiest people on the planet.
Thing to understand is set biases aside and step back, see the big picture. Are no heroes here. There are individuals and there are businesses. One businesses public figures allowed attacks to occur to another businesses public figures catalyzing a reaction by that others businesses employee's. That happens every single day someplace(s) in America. Both businesses principles are public figures by nature of their choices in their respective businesses work. Be interesting see how it turns out.
Funny story come to mind here locally. We'd a Pizza place and another from a neighboring township that often rated by media as best pizza in the county, they opened up new store not half a block down. Pizza wars ensued online and off, slanderous reviews to and fro by customers, family and the one that had been here employee's decided wage an actionable campaign against the new shop, broke windows, messed up cars of employee's etc. The owners of the shop that been here claimed no knowledge of it all but certainly had knowledge of it and just common sense. Employee's waging the campaign did get caught and the new shop sued the other for reparations but had to sue the owners, not the business. Best of I can recall they lost as they couldn't prove it all being directed by said shops owners. They'd problems with their insurance company picking up the tab as it was more than vandalism. Sad thing is the new Pizza place closed up shop here and they damned good Pizza.
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