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What happens when an Amazon-dropshipping fake eBay seller gets an INR?

I'm not talking about sellers authorized to sell their own items via Amazon warehouse; I mean the policy-violating ones who list things on eBay and then order them from Amazon to be shipped to the buyers.  If I recall correctly they just mark the item 'shipped' with no tracking, right?  So if the end of the estimated delivery range comes and goes, and the buyer files an INR, is there any way for the "seller" to prove delivery? 

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The seller would need a tracking number to show it was delivered.   They could enter the tracking number by hand IF  they receive it from the river. If a INR is filed, they would have to reply with the tracking number. The thing  is the river uses their own trucks and often does not always provide a tracking number.  At least that is what I have noticed when buying from them or getting eBay orders from them.

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@gurlcat wrote:

I'm not talking about sellers authorized to sell their own items via Amazon warehouse; I mean the policy-violating ones who list things on eBay and then order them from Amazon to be shipped to the buyers.  If I recall correctly they just mark the item 'shipped' with no tracking, right?  So if the end of the estimated delivery range comes and goes, and the buyer files an INR, is there any way for the "seller" to prove delivery? 


Why do you think Amazon packages don't have tracking? The only issue is that if the package is delivered by Amazon itself their internal tracking numbers are not integrated with eBay's systems.

 

I've had more INR requests opened (still very rare) on shipments with tracking than I have had for the hundreds of orders I've shipped without tracking.

 

 

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If the Ebay seller uses Amazon FBA, then the Ebay seller owns the inventory that Amz is storing for them.  They just pay Amz for the service of storing and shipping their products as directed by the Ebay seller.

 

There would be tracking, so IDK why a Ebay seller would not log the tracking number onto the transaction.

 

If a seller doesn't record the tracking number onto the transaction in Ebay, they lose their Seller Protection, so even if they could somehow prove the item was shipped and received, Ebay doesn't have to consider it.  However I've never had a transaction like this nor have I read one on the threads.  So IDK how Ebay would actually process the claim if the seller, after the fact came up with a tracking number that showed delivered to the buyer.

 

Sounds to me like the buyer would win the INR.


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@slippinjimmy wrote:

The only issue is that if the package is delivered by Amazon itself their internal tracking numbers are not integrated with eBay's systems.

THOSE are exactly (and only) the kind I am asking about.  

Sellers pulling that crud would be SOL, right?  

Like for instance if such a package was stolen by porch pirates because Amazon truck delivery doesn't have mailbox privileges, the buyer could file INR and get their refund, yeah?  

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If the seller just uses the Amazon tracking number, the buyer would win a INR, because it's not trackable, but through Amazon..

Some that dropship from Amazon use a service to convert Amazon tracking numbers to USPS tracking numbers.

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@gurlcat wrote:

@slippinjimmy wrote:

The only issue is that if the package is delivered by Amazon itself their internal tracking numbers are not integrated with eBay's systems.

THOSE are exactly (and only) the kind I am asking about.  

Sellers pulling that crud would be SOL, right?  

Like for instance if such a package was stolen by porch pirates because Amazon truck delivery doesn't have mailbox privileges, the buyer could file INR and get their refund, yeah?  


"crud"??  The seller OWNS the inventory they sold you.  They just pay another company to store, package and ship as they direct them to do it.  

 

What does it matter if you get the items you want for a price you like?

 

Sellers should never have to cover a package because of "porch pirates".  Buyers have the responsibility to supply a safe place for delivery.


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A couple of weeks back I was reading some Ebay help file and was surprised to see that Ebay accepts the Amazon Logistics TBA tracking numbers used by FBA.

 

The seller using Amazon to drop ship can enter whatever the tracking number is that Amazon provides him with. Amazon logistics, UPS or USPS.

 

Sorry I am not going to look for the right help file and post a link, since is not a problem seeking a solution.

 

 

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@kensgiftshop wrote:

 

Some that dropship from Amazon use a service to convert Amazon tracking numbers to USPS tracking numbers.


You mean even the eBay policy-violating drop shippers, and even if USPS didn't handle the 'final mile' part or anything?  

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@tobaccocardyahoo wrote:

A couple of weeks back I was reading some Ebay help file and was surprised to see that Ebay accepts the Amazon Logistics TBA tracking numbers used by FBA.

 

The seller using Amazon to drop ship can enter whatever the tracking number is that Amazon provides him with. Amazon logistics, UPS or USPS.

 

Sorry I am not going to look for the right help file and post a link, since is not a problem seeking a solution.

 

 


It isn't "drop shipping".  The seller OWNS the inventory.  They have just hired Amazon to store and ship their inventory as needed.  They pay for the service..  

 

It is not the same thing as using a company as your supplier and have them ship items to a buyer as needed.  The seller doesn't own this inventory.  They purchase it as needed to fulfil their orders.


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@mam98031 wrote:


It isn't "drop shipping".  The seller OWNS the inventory.  They have just hired Amazon to store and ship their inventory as needed.  They pay for the service..  

 

It is not the same thing as using a company as your supplier and have them ship items to a buyer as needed.  The seller doesn't own this inventory.  They purchase it as needed to fulfil their orders.


I believe based on first post that OP is talking about the kind of seller that sells here and then uses their Prime account to ship as a gift to the buyer. Pretty sure that is not allowed.

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@mam98031 wrote:

@tobaccocardyahoo wrote:

A couple of weeks back I was reading some Ebay help file and was surprised to see that Ebay accepts the Amazon Logistics TBA tracking numbers used by FBA.

 

The seller using Amazon to drop ship can enter whatever the tracking number is that Amazon provides him with. Amazon logistics, UPS or USPS.

 

Sorry I am not going to look for the right help file and post a link, since is not a problem seeking a solution.

 

 


It isn't "drop shipping".  The seller OWNS the inventory.  They have just hired Amazon to store and ship their inventory as needed.  They pay for the service..  

 

It is not the same thing as using a company as your supplier and have them ship items to a buyer as needed.  The seller doesn't own this inventory.  They purchase it as needed to fulfil their orders.


If it is in a marked Amazon box, with or without paperwork showing Amazon, it is not owned by the Ebay seller.

 

Seller owned inventory in FBA is shipped in plain boxes with no Amazon paperwork under the Multi-Channel Fulfillment program in FBA. A different fee schedule than that of Amazon sales applies as well.

 

 

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@bdmh-enterprises wrote:

@mam98031 wrote:


It isn't "drop shipping".  The seller OWNS the inventory.  They have just hired Amazon to store and ship their inventory as needed.  They pay for the service..  

 

It is not the same thing as using a company as your supplier and have them ship items to a buyer as needed.  The seller doesn't own this inventory.  They purchase it as needed to fulfil their orders.


I believe based on first post that OP is talking about the kind of seller that sells here and then uses their Prime account to ship as a gift to the buyer. Pretty sure that is not allowed.


IDK.  Maybe.  But it is also possible, because there are many Ebay sellers, that the seller stores their inventory at an Amazon FBA site.  

 

The seller using FBA to fulfill orders isn't doing anything wrong.  They are shipping inventory the seller owns.

 

The seller that is using their Prime account is likely committing retail Arbitrage, which is  no no.  


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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Amazon tracking can be used for eBay but has to be converted to a different format

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I don't know anything about that.  I've never heard it before.


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