12-02-2022 05:48 PM
So I had a customer in Canada, who purchased things periodically for the past year. A couple months ago they made an INR claim. In Canada, packages sometimes get scanned delivered before the delivery occurs (like while it's on the truck or at the post office... I have a recollection of something showing as delivered to my house and the package arrived a few hours later, I had called Canada Post to verify the process to make sure this package wasn't misdelivered to the neighbour's house, and they explained this bit to me, I was reminded of it again with my customer's INR when his items were scanned at the post office before delivery).
So he filed an INR, and although I'm not 100% sure what eBay would do, he's a regular and I gave him the benefit of the doubt and refunded him. He asked me to undertake an investigation with Canada Post to try and find his package, but as that takes weeks, not days, I went ahead to refund in good faith expecting co-operation for the investigation.
As it turns out, they couldn't figure out what happened to the package and I was eligible for a refund of the maximum $100 CAD claim (on $89 USD item). Now I've refunded the customer, so he's whole, and all Canada Post needs to do for the refund, is make sure he doesn't have the package by speaking to him. (Meanwhile customer has bought more items from me).
I get a letter yesterday telling me that Canada Post has called him several times (at the phone number he provided to eBay that's on the sales order), and he has not answered his phone or called them back. I gave him the email address of my shipper for him to provide contact information directly to them (they are the intermediary, I use their service to ship with Canada Post, so they file the claim on my behalf and have significantly more clout in helping their customers than I could get if I were to do this myself). The customer did not reply to me, nor did he provide any contact information to the shipper, so I had to go with what was on the eBay account (which I realize might not be correct, but there isn't anything I can do if he's not providing me with current info).
So I decided to block, and I have no problem telling him why if when he tries to buy from me again in the next month, which I'm sure he will, and he asks me why he can't.
Basically I refunded in good faith, I had the opportunity to recover my loss with minimal co-operation with him, he decided not to co-operate. So if this is how it's going to be when his packages aren't delivered that I'm out money when I don't have to be, I don't see why I should keep shipping things to him.
One poster will come along shortly and say "a buyer has no obligation to co-operate in your insurance claim" and my answer is "well I have no obligation to sell things to him then." (And also, I will point out again, he ASKED me to start an investigation... that ends in a claim sometimes).
C.
12-02-2022 05:54 PM
Yup, buyers are under no obligation to be decent human beings. If they are too lazy to help a seller from whom they like to buy, block 'em. I don't blame you.
12-02-2022 05:59 PM
Not in the least. Buyer wants to treat you like an 'entity' instead of an individual selling on a platform designed to put PRIVATE sellers with PRIVATE buyers- then you have, by all means, reserve the right to do business with whom you want to.
And those that are a 'detriment' to your selling, should simply be blocked.
If and when this buyer 'asks' you why he is now blocked- I would explain all of that to him/her as well as the exact situation that he put in you.
There are still millions that can buy your items. You don't need the headache of one.
12-02-2022 06:04 PM
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:Not in the least. Buyer wants to treat you like an 'entity' instead of an individual selling on a platform designed to put PRIVATE sellers with PRIVATE buyers- then you have, by all means, reserve the right to do business with whom you want to.
And those that are a 'detriment' to your selling, should simply be blocked.
If and when this buyer 'asks' you why he is now blocked- I would explain all of that to him/her as well as the exact situation that he put in you.
There are still millions that can buy your items. You don't need the headache of one.
I've been in touch with the shop owner about this, it's his items this buyer likes, so I wanted his take on what I should do. He said first the guy is a jerk, and secondly if this is how he behaves, just block him.
Not so sure about millions who can buy... I'm a bit of a niche market seller. But certainly I will find other buyers who co-operate.
I kind of like the US system with GPS, I can shut down a claim as properly delivered within a day or two. In Canada the process is flawed, does not favour the seller even when there's tracking, so sometimes I'm kind of forced to refund on a Canada Post claim, but my shipper has clout, so if the proper channels are used, I can recover my loss.
I had a guy buy some items from me that he said he didn't get, but he didn't do an INR, he just contacted me to discuss it privately. He offered to share the loss by me giving him a 50% refund, and I asked him to co-operate with Canada Post, which he did, because I won the claim. I shared the claim funds with the buyer, then it was just a little loss for both of us. I did not block this buyer, I appreciated that he was willing to help.
C.
12-02-2022 06:16 PM
You did the right thing blocking him. Go ahead and block the person that criticized you blocking that inconsiderate buyer.
12-02-2022 06:30 PM
He asked you to investigate Canada Post, but he did not cooperate in any way. No, I do not think you were out of line.
BTW, you are presently on the US site and need to log off her and return to the Canada site.
You should return to the Canada site
12-02-2022 06:40 PM
@jame234 wrote:He asked you to investigate Canada Post, but he did not cooperate in any way. No, I do not think you were out of line.
BTW, you are presently on the US site and need to log off her and return to the Canada site.
You should return to the Canada site
I'm registered on the USA site and do most shipping from Niagara NY. But since I live in Canada, I use Canada Post for anything in Canada. I never list anything on the Canadian site and everything is in USA currency for me.
C.
12-02-2022 08:01 PM
Putting a Buyer on your BBL, is one of the FEW last things a Seller has left in their arsenal.
Your account, you decide WHO to block and when.
FWIW, I would have blocked him also. I add ANYONE who files a claim to my BBL.
Better sales await! Have a great weekend, Sin!
12-02-2022 10:23 PM
Of course block this jerk. Ebay has created these buyer monsters who think they can get away with everything. Maybe your buyer DID receive the item and is afraid to engage with Canada Post now that he has a refund too. Blocking these leeches is one of the last arrows in our quiver. Ebay has robbed us of everything else including our dignity.
12-03-2022 06:55 PM
@katzrul15 wrote:
Putting a Buyer on your BBL, is one of the FEW last things a Seller has left in their arsenal.
Your account, you decide WHO to block and when.
FWIW, I would have blocked him also. I add ANYONE who files a claim to my BBL.
Better sales await! Have a great weekend, Sin!
eBay wants buyers to file claims, and sometimes buyers open claims by accident in following "I didn't receive it" prompts, so that I don't block people for if I feel they are just doing what eBay is encouraging them to do in that situation.
I guess when I'm entitled to something and someone denies me of that, I feel a bit robbed... I've always said if someone likes buying my items, being on the blocked list is big punishment. I have taken people off the blocked list (like the guy who did or his wife did, a payment dispute, he sorted that out in 3 days and all is fine, so I took him off the blocked list).
The only way this guy can redeem himself now is by calling Canada Post and providing the answers they want to hear to give me my claim. Without that, I'm out $100 CAD (on an $89 USD item), and there's no reason I should keep selling to someone who treats me like that. I wouldn't tolerate this from my IRL friends, so I don't see why I should tolerate it from a customer. I don't need the sale that badly...
C.