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vrm999 · ‎01-22-2019

This is regarding my purchase

I bought 2 of them and finally decided to use it. I was very disappointed. First, it discharges very quickly - in 8 hours went down to 76% of its capacity and this is on standby only, since I used it in my secondary, emergency back up phone only. When I opened a plastic bag I noticed that the gold contact plates on the battery had sings of usage. The battery was totally dead - it took like 15 min before it started its charging cycle. Then I noticed a date on the battery - 09 of 2016 - and it's older that my old battery. Also I noticed that the plastic bags seller packed the batteries are home sealed. It's a total **bleep**. I will post pictures here in a few days.

When I contacted the seller the first time about leaving a feedback for me - a while ago, before I learned about his fraud - I got automated response from him:

" is out of the office until 05/10/2019 and may not be able to respond to your message."

However, about 4 to 6 hour later he responded stating that he just left a feedback for me. When I learned about his fraud, I contacted him again and again got the same automated response, but seller never responded. Because of busy time - Christmas/New Year, I missed the time frame to file a claim on eBay. However, I opened a PayPal case that has 180 days since transaction to file a claim.

Meanwhile, I made an extensive search on eBay and Amazon and found that there are a bunch of other phony new LG phone battery listing. On Amazon those batteries are very poorly rated by the customers who complain that battery either used or not original. What seems to me is happening sellers get those batteries for recycling but instead they pack them in the bags, seal bag with a cheap plastic bag sealer and sell them as new.

What is also very surprising that there isn't a single tread about this problem on eBay forum and even more surprisingly that the seller has 100% positive feedback.

tunicaslot · ‎01-22-2019

Sometimes you get what you pay for. It does state right in the listing tho:

Packed in bulk packaging.
Battery can have minor scratches due to the bulk lots received.

And:

1. Batteries purchased can have different manufactured dates than others and are shipped at random. The date of when a battery is manufactured has no bearing on its performance or compatibility.

2. Batteries purchased can be manufactured in various countries other than depicted in the above image/listing and are shipped at random. The country of where a battery is manufactured has no bearing on its performance or compatibility.

If you are not satisfied - you have every right to return the items - but by missing the timeline on Ebay - you now have to ship the item back on your dime not the sellers had the case been opened on Ebay.

As far as his getting back to you - he could very well be out of town but people still check their mail when away. That's why I never leave feedback until I have tested the item and make sure it works as I got stung like you one time and then could not warn other buyers of the deception.

vrm999 · ‎01-22-2019

Sounds like you are working as an attorney for the seller. You are only couple years on eBay but posted several thousand posts in eBay community. And you only have a couple of dozen of feedback. How did you become a Pro in community forum?

pburn · ‎01-22-2019

@vrm999 wrote:
You are only couple years on eBay but posted several thousand posts in eBay community. And you only have a couple of dozen of feedback. How did you become a Pro in community forum?

Posting id--with some occasional buying thrown in. Many people use them on the discussion boards.

tunicaslot · ‎01-22-2019

As pburn stated - many of us use posting IDs as some people get upset with our responses and I'm not putting my 20 yr business here in jeopardy if someone I've upset decides to fool around with me.

vrm999 · ‎01-23-2019

For people who want to help battle a fraud on eBay I asking to file a claim with the FBI Internet Crime Complaint Center - not sure if it allowed to post a link here, but you could easy find it on the web.

As a licensed electronic technician I could provide a notarized statement that the LG batteries sold on eBay are not new, but used in the end of its life cycle.

coolections · ‎01-23-2019

Most people who have been around already know that there are fakes and used batteries being sold. You really need to check out your sellers better as you are leaving negatives 1 out of 5 sellers.

vrm999 · ‎01-23-2019

Here we go again - another seller's advocate. Just to let you know - you are violating eBay community policy. It called victim blaming. Also, you can't use my feedback history on eBay community forum. But yes, eBay is full of super-duper scammers

@coolections wrote:
Most people who have been around already know that there are fakes and used batteries being sold. You really need to check out your sellers better as you are leaving negatives 1 out of 5 sellers.

In a lawful country - that of course isn't a USA - those sellers are in prison, and eBays alike are being fine with heavy fines for allowing such sales to proceed.

annadryl · ‎01-23-2019

Really, if you have a back-up emergency phone, in addition to the important daily normal device... why are you buying cheap unknown batteries online? And why wait to un-package and look at them?

You might consider something from the manufacturer with a warranty. If it's important it might come with a higher price tag. You're buying important electronic consumables but trying for the Dollar Store price.

vrm999 · ‎01-23-2019

@annadryl wrote:

Really, if you have a back-up emergency phone, in addition to the important daily normal device... why are you buying cheap unknown batteries online? And why wait to un-package and look at them?

You might consider something from the manufacturer with a warranty. If it's important it might come with a higher price tag. You're buying important electronic consumables but trying for the Dollar Store price.

Here we go again - another seller's advocate. But to answer your question:

1) Battery was not cheap - compare to the phone; The phone was free with a service - it's one of the cheapest LG you can find, and same go for the battery; The time when phone batteries were $30 a piece a long time gone; its real cost is about $2 for manufacturer;

2) My 2 year old battery still last a little over 30 hours on standby only, but it getting worst; I was planning to replace when it wont last 20 hours.

3)the seller is super scammer - he made the battery seal in plastic bag to appear as new and has 100% feedback and a high score; Had I bought from somebody not as reputable, I would definitely check it out ASAP

luckythewinner · ‎01-23-2019

@vrm999 wrote:
Sounds like you are working as an attorney for the seller. You are only couple years on eBay but posted several thousand posts in eBay community. And you only have a couple of dozen of feedback. How did you become a Pro in community forum?

First, no that does not sound like a "lawyer for the seller". It sounds like a seasoned eBay user who is giving you accurate information.

Second, attacking one of the most helpful people on this board simply because you don't comprehend that a seller can more than one eBay account is not productive.

Third, I agree with tunicaslot. Based on what was posted, I would never have purchased from such a sketchy listing. It appears questionable at best, and suspiciously like fraud at the worst.

That aside ...

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Because of busy time - Christmas/New Year, I missed the time frame to file a claim on eBay. However, I opened a PayPal case that has 180 days since transaction to file a claim.

That is unfortunate, but those are the rules of the venue.

@vrm999 wrote:
What is also very surprising that there isn't a single tread about this problem on eBay forum and even more surprisingly that the seller has 100% positive feedback.

It's not surprising to me at all. There are 1.1 billion items listed here at any given time, and if even one percent of one percent were posted about here, the board would be unmanageable.

@vrm999 wrote:
For people who want to help battle a fraud on eBay I asking to file a claim with the FBI Internet Crime Complaint Center

I applaud you determination rid eBay of unethical sellers. But unfortunately, I do not have the knowledge or the standing to complain to the FBI about an eBay seller based with whom I have not had a transaction based on the say-so of an anonymous (to me) person posting on a messageboard.

luckythewinner · ‎01-23-2019

@vrm999 wrote:
@annadryl wrote:
Really, if you have a back-up emergency phone, in addition to the important daily normal device... why are you buying cheap unknown batteries online? And why wait to un-package and look at them?

You might consider something from the manufacturer with a warranty. If it's important it might come with a higher price tag. You're buying important electronic consumables but trying for the Dollar Store price.
Here we go again - another seller's advocate.

This is not advocating for the seller - it is advocating for you by suggesting that you to use a little judgement and common sense.

eBay is not Best Buy or Target - it is a glorified flea market, and as such it is inevitable (and anticipated by prudent buyers) that there will be unethical sellers and bad actors here. I am not a certified electronics engineer, but even I know to steer clear of Bay when buying batteries and chargers for my devices.

One of the best ways to root them out is to file claims, force them to refund, and push them into the penalty fee category and hopefully force them out. (Or not buy from them at all, especially when it is new but they tell you they don't know how it will packaged, don't know where it was made, and that it will have signs of wear). But you missed the chance to do that.

vrm999 · ‎01-25-2019

It seems to me that eBay "community" tries to whitewash eBay, sellers and blame me for not being a street smart. This post isn't about my (very unlikely) loss or mistakes. I have been an eBayer since 1999 and have guts to use my eBay ID here - not like the majority of "community".

This post is about the massive scale fraud that is happening here on eBay as well as on Amazon, where thousands of batteries in the end of its life cycle being sold as new. It about thousands of victims and what would be the best option to push eBay to enforce very strict policy on the high volume selling of all new batteries. But I can understand why the "community" isn't interested in this at all (why kill the goose that lays golden eggs).

sharingtheland · ‎01-25-2019

Let me correct something for you:

"I can understand why ebay isn't interested in this at all (why kill the goose that lays golden eggs)."

I'm not an ebay cheerleader but, seriously, do you expect ebay (or Amazon) to read every battery listing (do a search for "battery" and it returns 3.5m) ?

You say you've been here since 1999 and by now, 20 years later, you really should know the rules. You missed the deadline to file a SNAD return and you admit this was your fault. You can't expect ebay to hold your hand and protect you from yourself.

You filed a paypal case; be content that you get to double dip on that return option.

Why were you contacting the seller about leaving feedback for you? Surely you know, after 20 years, that your feedback as a buyer is meaningless.

It's a phone battery, fgs, not a kidney.

Signed,

I Have A Headache Today

or

Proudly Not Using My Seller IDs

Edit: My first sentence lost its punch because now the strikethrough thingy doesn't work. I love the strikethrough thingy.

Sherry

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vrm999 · ‎01-25-2019

@sharingtheland wrote:
"I can understand why ebay isn't interested in this at all (why kill the goose that lays golden eggs)."

You edited my quote. I wrote: "I can understand why eBay "community" isn't interested in this at all (why kill the goose that lays golden eggs)." And by "community" I meant mutants with some minor signs of humans.

@sharingtheland wrote:
I'm not an ebay cheerleader but, seriously, do you expect ebay (or Amazon) to read every battery listing (do a search for "battery" and it returns 3.5m) ?