04-11-2019 04:36 PM
Hey! There have been many posts about this, but my situation is very difficult.
Around Christmas time last year, a buyer had bought my item but told me to ship it to a different address. The address stated on eBay and PayPal was in California, but the address the buyer provided was in North Dakota. Just this week the buyer had opened an authorized transaction dispute through PayPal, and I don't think I have much luck explaining the situation since the shipped item was different from the buyer's address. (I know, extremely naive of me to fall for this scam).
The item in question was over $300, and I currently don't have the money to pay PayPal if I lose the dispute, so I'm in an extremely tight situation right now. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
04-11-2019 04:40 PM
04-11-2019 04:47 PM
04-11-2019 04:55 PM
"Do you still have the message that the buyer wanted it shipped to ND? "
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With Paypal, I fear that may not matter.
Paypal's Seller Protection policy says:
"You must ship the item to the shipping address on the transaction details page in your PayPal account for the transaction."
https://www.paypal.com/us/brc/article/seller-protection
Period.
I don't see anything saying honoring any other request changes that.
Boardies? Is this totally correct?
Or would it help the OP to post this on Paypal's discussion boards?
Thanks
Lynn
04-11-2019 05:29 PM
04-11-2019 05:43 PM
@loveyourimagination49 wrote:
If PayPal has unwritten policies as eBay does, it may be worth contacting PayPal by phone. $300 isn’t chump change.
eBay claims they will consider a message with a request to change address.... PayPal will not. The OP will absolutely lose this claim. An unauthorized transaction dispute is one of the easiest claims to win provided the item was shipped to the address on file at the time of purchase.
This is going to be a very expensive lesson for the OP and I'm so very sorry.
04-11-2019 07:47 PM
@18704d wrote:"Do you still have the message that the buyer wanted it shipped to ND? "
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With Paypal, I fear that may not matter.
Paypal's Seller Protection policy says:
"You must ship the item to the shipping address on the transaction details page in your PayPal account for the transaction."
https://www.paypal.com/us/brc/article/seller-protection
Period.
I don't see anything saying honoring any other request changes that.
Boardies? Is this totally correct?
Or would it help the OP to post this on Paypal's discussion boards?
Thanks
Lynn
eBay will consider member to member communication for an INR claim.
Maybe even PayPal would (I doubt it).
This is an Unauthorized Use claim which is different, the "buyers" credit card company is the one making a claim and they WILL NOT consider it and PayPal won't cover it for obvious reasons.
04-11-2019 11:39 PM
@loveyourimagination49 wrote:
Do you still have the message that the buyer wanted it shipped to ND?
While if the claim was in Ebay, Ebay would accept the email notification and proof the buyer asked for the change of address as long as it was in Ebay's email system, PayPal will not.
Paypal won't take any kind of email proof. They don't offer any relief about the address. You MUST ship to the address on the payment notification period, to be covered under PP seller protection.
It is unfortunate, but it isn't likely the OP can win this chargeback.
04-11-2019 11:46 PM
I know this isn't what you want to hear, but it is highly unlikely that you can win this claim in Paypal for reasons already stated on the thread.
Did you ship the item to the buyer via USPS?
I ask, because if it were me in your position and if I had shipped USPS, I'd send an email to the buyer in the EBAY email system. Being very polite and professional and notify them that you are aware that they have filed a dispute with Paypal. Express that you are sorry there is some issues with the transaction. Let them know that you have the tracking data showing you shipped to the address they asked you to ship to via email [and you have that email too]. The tracking shows it was delivered.
Because they are claiming an issue with not receiving this item, you will be notifying USPS about this transaction for potential mail fraud which is a federal offense. Let them not they may be contacted by the postal investigators in this matter.
Remember you have to stay polite and professional. Don't get angry with them, don't show emotion. Just the facts.
This could scare them enough to withdraw the claim, so you'll want to do this soon before Paypal makes a ruling. It may not scare them, but it is worth a try.
If they do respond, before you respond back to them, come on back and let us know what they have said and get a bit more guidance from us seasoned sellers to we can try and help you not lose all that money. That is a lot of money and I absolutely respect that it would be a big financial hardship on you.
04-12-2019 12:31 AM
@darrecu2 wrote:Hey! There have been many posts about this, but my situation is very difficult.
Around Christmas time last year, a buyer had bought my item but told me to ship it to a different address.
Just this week the buyer had opened an authorized transaction dispute through PayPal
When in December, @darrecu2 as the tracking to threaten your buyer may have just recently expired a few days ago.
04-12-2019 02:27 AM
04-12-2019 02:55 AM - edited 04-12-2019 02:55 AM
@remispe_54 wrote:
@darrecu2 wrote:Hey! There have been many posts about this, but my situation is very difficult.
Around Christmas time last year, a buyer had bought my item but told me to ship it to a different address.
Just this week the buyer had opened an authorized transaction dispute through PayPal
When in December, ..... as the tracking to threaten your buyer may have just recently expired a few days ago.
'What if?' Just for the sake of argument, 'what if' it is a REAL Unauthorized Use claim?
It is that time of year when some people go over their bills, expenses and such for filing their taxes. What if someone said, "Whoa, what is this? I didn't do that!", and they really didn't?
04-12-2019 09:58 AM
@gracieallen01 wrote:
@remispe_54 wrote:
@darrecu2 wrote:Hey! There have been many posts about this, but my situation is very difficult.
Around Christmas time last year, a buyer had bought my item but told me to ship it to a different address.
Just this week the buyer had opened an authorized transaction dispute through PayPal
When in December, ..... as the tracking to threaten your buyer may have just recently expired a few days ago.
'What if?' Just for the sake of argument, 'what if' it is a REAL Unauthorized Use claim?
It is that time of year when some people go over their bills, expenses and such for filing their taxes. What if someone said, "Whoa, what is this? I didn't do that!", and they really didn't?
Then that would mean their Ebay account would have been hijacked too if the original address on the PP payment notification was correct. The only way someone can send an email in the Ebay system from any given account is they must know the password and be logged on as that member. So if the address given on the email was from a thief but the original address was correct, then this member has a bigger problem of a hijacked account.
04-12-2019 10:12 AM
@darrecu2 wrote:Hey! There have been many posts about this, but my situation is very difficult.
Around Christmas time last year, a buyer had bought my item but told me to ship it to a different address. The address stated on eBay and PayPal was in California, but the address the buyer provided was in North Dakota. Just this week the buyer had opened an authorized transaction dispute through PayPal, and I don't think I have much luck explaining the situation since the shipped item was different from the buyer's address. (I know, extremely naive of me to fall for this scam).
The item in question was over $300, and I currently don't have the money to pay PayPal if I lose the dispute, so I'm in an extremely tight situation right now. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
I'm so sorry this is happening to you . I guess by now you already know this but don't ever ship to any other address that's not on file . Scammers are coming up with new ways to steal as well as using the old tried and true . It's very important to stay vigilant . Tulips
04-12-2019 10:24 AM
This is a PayPal Unauthorized Use claim. The rules are different. For a unauthorized use claim Paypal ONLY requires proof of SHIPPING, not delivery. The OP should be able to upload the tracking info to Paypal and get this closed. Under the UA policies addresses and delivery are NOT required. Seller should be held harmless under the unauthorized use policies.
Now if the claim is for INR or SNAD whether it be under Paypal or the credit card, THEN the delivery address could come into play under the Seller protection policy.
But so far the OP has stated this is unauthorized use and all they need is to get the tracking log from the post office and upload to Paypal. Since it's beyond 90 days it will take a special request to USPS to have them send the seller this information.