Two posts today from angry folks because of another listing they saw....

[lamber9347]

I noticed two separate posts today from folks upset because of something they saw in another persons listing. Don't want to hijack their threads so thought I'd start my own. One was about price gouging, which wasn't price gouging at all but just people who resell items for a higher price- aka business. Another was because someone felt that people were selling items they'd created in their own homes without licensing agreements on copyrighted material. 

What someone else is doing in their listings displeases them, so they now feel entitled to "tell on them". Neither of those two posters had any rebuttals either. 

One tried to claim it was the equivalent to seeing a child being abused and failing to report it. Yes, that is correct, that OP felt that when he sees someone selling a homemade replica Star Wars item and he cannot report them, that it is the equivalent of seeing physical harm being done to a living creature. 

Reminds me of someone I used to know named Charlie. Many years ago Charlie called me extremely upset because a woman was parking her car so closely to the car next to her, it made opening the drivers door difficult. Naturally I presumed he was the driver of the other car, so I suggested he write a nicely worded note and place it on her windshield. That's when he told me it wasn't his car she was parking next to.

After a long pause, I asked him why this was upsetting him if he wasn't the owner of the other car. He said it was because the woman had no right to do that....she was in the wrong. After another longer pause, I replied that perhaps the woman had spoken to the actual driver of the other car in advance. Perhaps the woman was disabled, or a larger person, who needed extra room to open her door wider, so she got permission to park closer to the car on her right. Perhaps the other driver was making an exception for this woman. I pointed out that since he hadn't spoken to either of these people, he had no way of knowing the full story, so there was no reason for him to get so worked up. Charlie hung up on me....

[chapeau-noir]

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@lamber9347 wrote:

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@katzrul15 wrote:

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@lamber9347 wrote:

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@femmefan1946 wrote:

One thing I have noticed, responses vary depending on which ID and avatar I happen to be using. This one gets more angry responses than my "masculine" one. And one which has a rather girly avatar gets even more disrespect.

Sigh. Kids today.

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@femmefan1946 Oh yes, because of my avatar I have been called "Black Barbie" "Black (b-word)", and other racist type names, and I am Caucasian.  People feel the need to associate a visual with who they are speaking to or addressing online, so they base it on the avatar. Plus now it's more common for people to call names online and hide behind 1st amendment claims....

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Wow.  That is terrible.  Horrible, actually.   (And all this time, I thought you were the "real" Barbie posting and I wondered why I never got invited to meet Ken or ride in the Barbie Sports Car!  😉  j/k  - I just figured you sold Barbies, collected Barbies....never actually looked at your listings).  

Wondering what I can change my Avatar to......

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LOL, this really made me laugh. I like your cats avatar, don't change it....

Now I can see others purposely changing their avatars to something in order to provoke a response. Can you imagine every female now changing to a masculine avatar in order to get people to listen to them. Talk about Catfishing....😋

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It's not as bad as it used to be - we still have to be twice as good but now we may get 2/3 of the credit instead of only half.  Fortunately, it is STILL not hard.

[farmalljr]

Victimhood, most people today feel they are a "victim" of SOMETHING. I don't care what you sell or how much you want to sell it for. I don't care if you are a man or a woman. I don't care what color your skin is or what your beliefs are. 

I am a man and I don't apologize for it. I grew up in a German Lutheran community.  I grew up with the wrong last name to boot. I was treated like a "**bleep**" all my years growing up. 

I was NOT a victim. I don't care what other people think about me. The day I stopped caring and stopped "feeling" like a victim, my life was instantly better. I live my life for me and mine, not for what other people think of me or what I should be/do. I don't care how other people want to live their lives, so long as it isn't affecting my life. 

Stop giving yourselves excuses.  Stop being "victims". You are whatever you WANT to be. No one can take that from you, but yourselves. If we all would mind our own business and look after ourselves, there would be no whining and complaining. We ARE the captain of our own ships. We can run it up on the rocks, or master the seas, it's all up to us individually. 

[maxine*j]

Eric Hoffer summed it up best, many years ago:  People who have no business of their own worth minding, mind everyone else's.

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[maxine*j]

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@lamber9347 wrote:

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@femmefan1946 wrote:

One thing I have noticed, responses vary depending on which ID and avatar I happen to be using. This one gets more angry responses than my "masculine" one. And one which has a rather girly avatar gets even more disrespect.

Sigh. Kids today.

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@femmefan1946 Oh yes, because of my avatar I have been called "Black Barbie" "Black (b-word)", and other racist type names, and I am Caucasian.  People feel the need to associate a visual with who they are speaking to or addressing online, so they base it on the avatar. Plus now it's more common for people to call names online and hide behind 1st amendment claims....

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This is so true that a poster here actually made a nasty and ugly comment with "goose" as part of it, mistaking my duck avatar for a goose.  How pathetic is that?  (I didn't report it because I never do hit that button, but someone evidently did because it disappeared.)  

And my experinece is the same as Femmefan's.  I get far more negative and dismissive comments and response with this ID than with the one I have that sounds neutral / masculine.  And other women who post to these boards have said the same.

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[1tuna]

you know when I read statement like your I am reminded of all the NHL rings sold for $10

championship rings and so forth.they are all ovet the place and I am sure the NHL gets zip from millions of fake rings

there are sellers on these boards with stuff like that and it just so bogus because it just so accepted

stanley cup rings for $10.I dont think so.

I thnk the problem at ebay is its hard to get attention  drawn to some things

take the presale funko pop thingy that breaks the rules............

[yuzuha]

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@lamber9347 wrote:

@yuzuha I am onboard with what you posted, but I think you misunderstood what I was referring to. The person complaining was just a fan, like we are, and he is angry because someone else created their own small replica or fan art. This person wants to effectively report the seller to the copyright holder. They want to tell on the fan who created a replica fan art item.

The seller isn't raking in money, this may well be a one off replica, just another art fan creation as you said. The seller created a piece for fun and posted it for sale in case someone else wanted to own it. However this one complainer feels they have the authority to go around eBay and find these listings, then report them to the companies to stop the individual sellers. This is contrary to what you posted. What this person is attempting to do is counteractive to what you said you want to do- have the ability as a fan to create your own stuff for fun....

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Right, but some content creators don't allow even that-- they don't want people selling stuff based on their works, period. In fact, I can even think of a specific content creator who has encouraged people to make stuff like replicas for fun or for cosplay purposes but also has explicitly forbidden people from selling anything they make.

Making it for fun = fine.  Selling it = not fine.

[pikabo-icu]

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@yuzuha wrote:

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@lamber9347 wrote:

@yuzuha I am onboard with what you posted, but I think you misunderstood what I was referring to. The person complaining was just a fan, like we are, and he is angry because someone else created their own small replica or fan art. This person wants to effectively report the seller to the copyright holder. They want to tell on the fan who created a replica fan art item.

The seller isn't raking in money, this may well be a one off replica, just another art fan creation as you said. The seller created a piece for fun and posted it for sale in case someone else wanted to own it. However this one complainer feels they have the authority to go around eBay and find these listings, then report them to the companies to stop the individual sellers. This is contrary to what you posted. What this person is attempting to do is counteractive to what you said you want to do- have the ability as a fan to create your own stuff for fun....

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Right, but some content creators don't allow even that-- they don't want people selling stuff based on their works, period. In fact, I can even think of a specific content creator who has encouraged people to make stuff like replicas for fun or for cosplay purposes but also has explicitly forbidden people from selling anything they make.

Making it for fun = fine.  Selling it = not fine.

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That might be true but people that make it their life's mission to pee in somebody else's cheerios need to stay in their own lane..

There are people that troll eBay looking for stuff to report-  I get rules & laws but seriously?

[katzrul15]

Don't think other posters were holding themselves out as victims.

There used to be a poster on the wall in our office breakroom that was a picture of a bird flying.

It said - You can choose to Soar or fly closer to the ground.  They're both called "flying", but only one has incredible views while doing it.

[valueaddedresource]

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@katzrul15 wrote:

Don't think other posters were holding themselves out as victims.

There used to be a poster on the wall in our office breakroom that was a picture of a bird flying.

It said - You can choose to Soar or fly closer to the ground.  They're both called "flying", but only one has incredible views while doing it.

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@katzrul15  all depends on what your goals are I suppose - the pelicans around here that skim along close to the surface of the water may not be getting a great view, but the ground effect producing less drag and more efficient flight probably means their wings don't get tired as quickly. 😉

[valueaddedresource]

I don't know if it's one of the posts the OP was referring to, but on one recent post asking if they should leave negative feedback and report items "drop shipped" from Best Buy & Amazon, most people responding basically said "you got what you ordered, what's the problem?"

My answer was a resounding "yes" because those could possibly be triangulation fraud and speaking from experience I can say sometimes the only way it gets caught is if the buyer reports it.

When my previous employer was hit with over $160K in triangulation fraud, I was very grateful to the few buyers who "tattled" and gave me the eBay IDs of the fraudulent selling accounts involved - it was the missing piece that allowed me to figure out what was really happening and come up with strategies to identify the fraud and mitigate the losses.

One person's "tattling" might be another person's "doing the right thing". 

[pikabo-icu]

I'm pretty sure @lamber9347 was posting about the people asking "how do I report XX listing they don't have license to sell that widget."

Now reporting for counterfeit is fine & I encourage that but First Sale Doctrine allows us to sell what we own without a license as long as we don't steal photos & descriptions.

I agree that possible triangulation schemes & the like should be reported but that wasn't the object of the OP in the thread I participated in. 

[femmefan1946]

@lamber9347 

Huh? But your avatar is Uhuru (Nichelle Nichols) isn't it?

Fortunately, I can ignore your first amendment, since I am not American.

[lamber9347]

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@femmefan1946 wrote:

@lamber9347 

Huh? But your avatar is Uhuru (Nichelle Nichols) isn't it?

Fortunately, I can ignore your first amendment, since I am not American.

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@femmefan1946 Thank you, you're the first person to actually recognize who she is. I've had many people ask me who the doll is over the years, so you win the prize....🖖🍾

[femmefan1946]

@yuzuha 

Selling stuff based on someone else's copyrighted material is a very iffy thing and a lot of fans don't like the idea at all because they don't want to lose the ability to make their own stuff for fun, not profit, which can happen if the company decides they are going to go after creators of fanworks.

There is a nasty going on here in Canada.

You might not have heard that there were many "residential schools" where Indian children were torn from their families and forced to attend . The last school closed in 1997, leaving generations of trauma behind.

Recently, unmarked graves have been discovered at some of the schools. It is likely that every school has such a potter's field. 

One way of publicizing this has been the printing of orange tee shirts with artwork and slogans by indigenous artists.

And... there are already sellers on AZ and etsy who have stolen those (copyright) designs.

https://www.orangeshirtday.org/

[katzrul15]

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@lamber9347 wrote:

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@femmefan1946 wrote:

@lamber9347 

Huh? But your avatar is Uhuru (Nichelle Nichols) isn't it?

Fortunately, I can ignore your first amendment, since I am not American.

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@femmefan1946 Thank you, you're the first person to actually recognize who she is. I've had many people ask me who the doll is over the years, so you win the prize....🖖🍾

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Well....now I really know why I am never meeting Ken or riding in the Barbie Sports Car.  Too late to meet Spock....Don't they know they made you a Commander??  😎