03-28-2019 07:53 AM
Anyone have experience with triangulation fraud? Seller keeps copying our listings on Ebay and selling to customers. Then purchases the items from our website using stolen credit cards. Told Ebay but they won't do anything because the fraud is happening with our company and not them. Sent message to seller notifying him of that we are aware of the fraud. He stopped selling but now he is back again in full force today.
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03-28-2019 10:38 AM
@luckythewinner wrote:
@autobodytoolmart wrote:Told Ebay but they won't do anything because the fraud is happening with our company and not them.
I am not surprised eBay "won't do anything" based on your assertion that this seller is selling merchandise purchased somewhere else with stolen credit cards.
If they did, then unscrupulous eBay sellers would have a field day eliminating their competition by telling eBay that their competitor is selling merchandise purchased somewhere else with stolen credit cards.
Hopefully the seller will get enough bad feedback to shut him down since we are no longer shipping out his orders. Then Ebay will take notice.
03-28-2019 11:44 AM - edited 03-28-2019 11:46 AM
@autobodytoolmart wrote:
@luckythewinner wrote:
@autobodytoolmart wrote:Told Ebay but they won't do anything because the fraud is happening with our company and not them.
I am not surprised eBay "won't do anything" based on your assertion that this seller is selling merchandise purchased somewhere else with stolen credit cards.
If they did, then unscrupulous eBay sellers would have a field day eliminating their competition by telling eBay that their competitor is selling merchandise purchased somewhere else with stolen credit cards.
Hopefully the seller will get enough bad feedback to shut him down since we are no longer shipping out his orders. Then Ebay will take notice.
Are you no longer shipping his orders because you blocked him from buying from you? It sort of reads like he is still ordering and you refuse to ship but I am assuming.
03-28-2019 01:19 PM
I experienced a similar situation when I owned my B&M store. I had to go in to my local police department and request for a detective to help me.
Print the listing pages that you suspect the seller used to sell items he purchased from you with stolen credit card numbers. Also print the sellers feedback pages. Take these along with everything else that you have regarding the transactions when you go in the the police department. The dollar amount should not be at all relevant to starting an investigation. In my situation, the police did get eBay involved in the investigation.
03-28-2019 01:29 PM
@mcdougle4248 wrote:
I experienced a similar situation when I owned my B&M store. I had to go in to my local police department and request for a detective to help me.
Print the listing pages that you suspect the seller used to sell items he purchased from you with stolen credit card numbers. Also print the sellers feedback pages. Take these along with everything else that you have regarding the transactions when you go in the the police department. The dollar amount should not be at all relevant to starting an investigation. In my situation, the police did get eBay involved in the investigation.
Thank you! I will do that. We had ten orders come through today. We stopped them all but this is affecting so many people. The cardholders and his customers have no idea that he is doing this as well as other businesses he is using to try and fulfill his orders.
03-28-2019 01:34 PM
@ohnojoey wrote:
@autobodytoolmart wrote:
@luckythewinner wrote:
@autobodytoolmart wrote:Told Ebay but they won't do anything because the fraud is happening with our company and not them.
I am not surprised eBay "won't do anything" based on your assertion that this seller is selling merchandise purchased somewhere else with stolen credit cards.
If they did, then unscrupulous eBay sellers would have a field day eliminating their competition by telling eBay that their competitor is selling merchandise purchased somewhere else with stolen credit cards.
Hopefully the seller will get enough bad feedback to shut him down since we are no longer shipping out his orders. Then Ebay will take notice.
Are you no longer shipping his orders because you blocked him from buying from you? It sort of reads like he is still ordering and you refuse to ship but I am assuming.
He is still ordering from our business site but we see the orders as they come through. He might try and fulfill them with somebody else unfortunately. He has an ebay account. Sells what we sell for cheaper, so he is also low balling everyone. Then he goes on our business site and purchases the items from us to drop ship to his customers. When the cardholders see the fraud we end up getting a chargeback. He gets to keep the money and his customers have no idea this is occurring.
03-28-2019 01:36 PM
Why are you not contacting the credit card companies ? They are the ones that can stop the theft. The most Ebay can do is flag the seller and eventually boot them. The problem is they can just sign up with another account and continue to do the same thing.
03-28-2019 01:38 PM
@autobodytoolmart wrote:He is still ordering from our business site but we see the orders as they come through.
How are you handling that? Are you reversing the payments, contacting the credit card companies about the fraud and cancelling the orders?
03-28-2019 01:39 PM
With a little research I think I can see the seller's listings on eBay. I hope you will pursue this case. IMHO, if I have the right seller in mind that is doing this, there might be at least one other person experiencing the same situation as you are. I am guessing they sell K-cups.
03-28-2019 01:41 PM
@mcdougle4248 wrote:
With a little research I think I can see the seller's listings on eBay. I hope you will pursue this case. IMHO, if I have the right seller in mind that is doing this, there might be at least one other person experiencing the same situation as you are. I am guessing they sell K-cups.
Yes, I noticed that as well.
03-28-2019 02:11 PM
@nodr-45 wrote:
@autobodytoolmart wrote:He is still ordering from our business site but we see the orders as they come through.
How are you handling that? Are you reversing the payments, contacting the credit card companies about the fraud and cancelling the orders?
Now we are not shipping out the orders and reversing the payments and contacting the card company.
03-28-2019 02:17 PM
How long has this been going on?
03-28-2019 02:18 PM
@coolections wrote:Why are you not contacting the credit card companies ? They are the ones that can stop the theft. The most Ebay can do is flag the seller and eventually boot them. The problem is they can just sign up with another account and continue to do the same thing.
Who says we are not? The problem is that this person probably got a giant list of stolen numbers from somewhere. The bottom line is that this person continues to do this and probably will keep doing because he is making money. We have already contacted him, he took down his listings last week and they are back up today. He could even be on different marketplaces. I just made the post to get more suggestions from anyone who has dealt with this and to also bring awareness to this kind of situation.
03-28-2019 02:21 PM
@gracieallen01 wrote:How long has this been going on?
About two weeks but we were not aware of it until last week. I read up on this type of fraud and like the article said companies usually don't figure it out until the chargebacks start coming in.
04-21-2019 10:32 AM
Yes, we were scammed last year by the Triangulation Fraud. Several orders for one popular product came to our online website over a period of 3 months. Shipped most of them. Started getting charge backs. Immediately held future orders for that item until we figured out what was going on.
Was able to trace the billing address and lookup some of the owners of the stolen credit card. We noticed that some billing addresses were incomplete--just enough to get it to pass credit card checks, mostly leaving out apartment numbers and putting a bogus customer name (Online Credit card sales do not check customer name). Since the shipping address was the only intimidate information on the order, we were able to track down some of the phone numbers where the goods were shipped using SPOKEO services. With the help of those customers who received the stolen goods, we were able to trace the fraud back to eBay and saw the fraudulent sales on eBay for that item at a price "too good to be true".
So what happened to the stuff we shipped that got charged back? We let them keep it. It was not their fault they got trapped in this eBay triangulation scam. The item was oversized so it would have been very costly to issue call tags to get the items returned to us, and we are sure some would NOT cooperate to the point that they would return the items to us. It was not worth it. Let them keep it. They were very helpful tracing down those orders back to eBay sellers who were operating this fraud. There were still some shipments in transit, and we were able to turn them around by contacting FedEx.
We got the eBay ids involved in the scam thanks to the help of the customers. The eBay contact info was completely fraudulent. We also noticed that the IP addresses of the online orders were mostly from other countries to so there would be now way to send the police and throw them in jail. We blocked those IP addresses from our website. Also noticed they made a few legitimate eBay sales on very small items to build up a little bit of positive feedback and a little bit of eBay history before launching the fraud. Very shrewd.
We reported those eBay accounts to eBay fraud. Tried to get more info about those sellers to report them to the FBI, but eBay said the user ID info is protected by law and eBay could not cooperate with filing an FBI report !!! So those people are still on eBay doing fraud. eBay closed one of the accounts and I saw a new account pop up somewhere else months later with that same item for sale at a price "too good to be true". The fraudsters no longer order from our website now that we are on to them, but I am sure they are scamming somebody's website right now with stolen credit cards.
04-21-2019 06:30 PM
@waterskiworld wrote:Yes, we were scammed last year by the Triangulation Fraud. Several orders for one popular product came to our online website over a period of 3 months. Shipped most of them. Started getting charge backs. Immediately held future orders for that item until we figured out what was going on.
Was able to trace the billing address and lookup some of the owners of the stolen credit card. We noticed that some billing addresses were incomplete--just enough to get it to pass credit card checks, mostly leaving out apartment numbers and putting a bogus customer name (Online Credit card sales do not check customer name). Since the shipping address was the only intimidate information on the order, we were able to track down some of the phone numbers where the goods were shipped using SPOKEO services. With the help of those customers who received the stolen goods, we were able to trace the fraud back to eBay and saw the fraudulent sales on eBay for that item at a price "too good to be true".
So what happened to the stuff we shipped that got charged back? We let them keep it. It was not their fault they got trapped in this eBay triangulation scam. The item was oversized so it would have been very costly to issue call tags to get the items returned to us, and we are sure some would NOT cooperate to the point that they would return the items to us. It was not worth it. Let them keep it. They were very helpful tracing down those orders back to eBay sellers who were operating this fraud. There were still some shipments in transit, and we were able to turn them around by contacting FedEx.
We got the eBay ids involved in the scam thanks to the help of the customers. The eBay contact info was completely fraudulent. We also noticed that the IP addresses of the online orders were mostly from other countries to so there would be now way to send the police and throw them in jail. We blocked those IP addresses from our website. Also noticed they made a few legitimate eBay sales on very small items to build up a little bit of positive feedback and a little bit of eBay history before launching the fraud. Very shrewd.
We reported those eBay accounts to eBay fraud. Tried to get more info about those sellers to report them to the FBI, but eBay said the user ID info is protected by law and eBay could not cooperate with filing an FBI report !!! So those people are still on eBay doing fraud. eBay closed one of the accounts and I saw a new account pop up somewhere else months later with that same item for sale at a price "too good to be true". The fraudsters no longer order from our website now that we are on to them, but I am sure they are scamming somebody's website right now with stolen credit cards.
I had this happen and set the site up to only allow shipments to the address on file with the credit card company. It may be something to talk to your card processor about.