04-23-2018 11:48 AM
Let me preface this by saying I understand that there is not universal acceptance that eBay throttles their sellers; I respect the opinion of those people who feel they do not and hope that they will do me the courtesy of respecting mine and to please not turn this post into a debate about whether or not eBay throttles sellers, to what extent they do, how or why they would do such etc. I do not mean for this to come off as rude, I just would like this thread to stay on point and be an ongoing discussion amongst sellers who believe eBay does throttle us with tips on how to best deal and position ourselves in such an environment.
With that being said, I have a particular listing that up until 2 weeks ago, over the prior 3 months I had sold a whopping total of 5 of these items. About 2 weeks ago I managed to sell 3 in a 2 day period to different buyers. Over the course of the next 2 weeks I sold 19...about 4x the amount in two weeks then I had sold in the prior 3 months!!! This is not an exogenous event, I have seen these types of patterns so many times that I can not possibly think it is an exogenous coincidence.
It seems very obvious to me that if you want sales, you need visibility for your listings. In order to get visibility for your listings you need sales. A classic chicken vs. eg scenario. eBay buries the listings of items that don't sell and give enhanced visibility to those that do. I usually do a few things to circumvent this sort of throttling. (This example above is one of the instances where I did nothing to the listing as an attempt to illustrate my point about eBay throttling. ) But I usually:
1) When an item that doesn't have any sales within a 2-3 week period, I will usually cancel the listing. Instead of "re-listing" I will "sell similar." This way it appears as a new listing.
2) If my sales for a particular item that I have many of are slow, I will run a sale for a 3-4 day period droping the price to pretty much break even after I factor in my shipping, fees etc. While I normally don't like to work for free this way, sometimes dropping the price will drastically will ignite sells over a short time and over the next 4 days I may sell 5 or 6. While it is true that I may not have made any profits, however I:
A) reduce inventory
B) Now have several sales that might help generate more product visibility...so if I originally had it priced at $30 when it wasn't selling and lowered the price to breakeven at $18, now it might start to sell a little more regularly at $24 now that I have a little bit of a track record.
I'd love to hear from other sellers who believe eBay throttles on what they do to deal with it. Again, for those that don't believe in eBay throttling I respect your opinion but I ask that you please not discuss that here. I would be happy to discuss this issue if you would like to start a new post. I would like this thread to stay on topic and be a forum for sellers on how to best position our listings to cope with throttling. It would be quite difficult to add value to this topic if one doesn't believe in eBay throttling to begin with. So again, I hope my desire to stay on point will be respected.
04-23-2018 11:57 AM
Okay, I'll be nice and play along. But it brings up some questions.
Why would ebay do such a thing to small sellers? For what benefit? Who gains from doing such a thing?
04-23-2018 11:57 AM - edited 04-23-2018 11:58 AM
List new items every day in as many categories as you can.
Then if the buyer is like me he both searches new every day and if he finds something he likes, he checks out everything else this seller has to see if maybe he missed something he also might be iterested in.
Just happened to me the other day. Found a new item and when I went to this seller's account I realized that he listed as a keyring instead of a keychain and I missed 3 or 4 items that I had really wanted.
04-23-2018 12:02 PM
04-23-2018 12:23 PM
@cb-boards wrote:
Please start a new thread and I will be happy to discuss my thoughts. Again, I would like to stay on point.
There's no need to start a new thread. This is where you would present your reasons WHY you think ebay would do this to small sellers. It should have been in your main OP to be honest.
04-23-2018 12:28 PM
04-23-2018 12:33 PM
JMO but I think some misunderstand the word throttling. I do not believe ebay purposely hides a listing. Do some just disappear. Yes. Are some stuck somewhere on page 2014? Not everyone appears on page 1. Does this new grouping thing by ebay cause some listings to not appear? Probably.
So I am looking at it from his point, in a very crowded ebay how do you get buyers to find you.
We have something similar here in my home state. We have a lot of restaurants. So a couple of times a year, the less known ones participate in restaurant week. You can come in for a fixed either lunch or dinner price and get a full course meal for a reduced price. And once tried, hopefully people will come back. Of course no one put a blanket over these restaurants and hid them, they just got lost in the competition.
Same here. How do you get yourself seen again in a very crowded venue.
04-23-2018 12:41 PM
in order to discuss what to do about eBay throttling, you would have to believe it.
What to do about it? Nothing. It isn't happening. Yes, when there are aq million listings for the exact same item, eBay will pick winners and losers, but that isn't throttling.
04-23-2018 12:44 PM
@jonathankirkland wrote:Okay, I'll be nice and play along. But it brings up some questions.
Why would ebay do such a thing to small sellers? For what benefit? Who gains from doing such a thing?
You are assuming that it is done for a benefit.
04-23-2018 12:55 PM
There is no benefit to hiding any sellers listings - but we have to take turns folks. Do you think my items are always seen on other venues that also have millions of items listed no.
In regards to your sales OP - it's happened to me - once someone buys an item - if you have more than 1 of the item - you get a boost in placement - another buyer - again - another boost - Ebay sees that obviously what you have to offer is selling - but it's really being at the right place at the right time when that first buyer was searching for an item like yours.
No one can be on the first page all the time - we take our turns - and that's on every venue. I did a search on a competitor's venue - there were over 30 pages of items - do you think I looked through all 30 pages - no - so can those sellers on page 20+ complain that their listing is being throttled - no - they'll get their turn.
If you wanted to talk about how to get your items seen and the subsequent sales once one item is sold - that's something that would be a great discussion - but you had to bring in the word throttle and you knew that you would open a can of worms,
04-23-2018 12:57 PM
@cb-boards wrote:
With that being said, I have a particular listing that up until 2 weeks ago, over the prior 3 months I had sold a whopping total of 5 of these items. About 2 weeks ago I managed to sell 3 in a 2 day period to different buyers. Over the course of the next 2 weeks I sold 19...about 4x the amount in two weeks then I had sold in the prior 3 months!!! This is not an exogenous event, I have seen these types of patterns so many times that I can not possibly think it is an exogenous coincidence.
More likely what happend is there was little demand for this widget at first. Somebody found it, tried it, then talked abut it on some other discussion board somewhere. Some of the readers decided to try it also. I've done that myself a few times when I found things here I liked.
No tin foil hat required.
04-23-2018 01:00 PM
@emerald40 wrote:JMO but I think some misunderstand the word throttling. I do not believe ebay purposely hides a listing. Do some just disappear. Yes. Are some stuck somewhere on page 2014? Not everyone appears on page 1. Does this new grouping thing by ebay cause some listings to not appear? Probably.
So I am looking at it from his point, in a very crowded ebay how do you get buyers to find you.
We have something similar here in my home state. We have a lot of restaurants. So a couple of times a year, the less known ones participate in restaurant week. You can come in for a fixed either lunch or dinner price and get a full course meal for a reduced price. And once tried, hopefully people will come back. Of course no one put a blanket over these restaurants and hid them, they just got lost in the competition.
Same here. How do you get yourself seen again in a very crowded venue.
Well if you are correct in assuming what the OP actually means, then the thread is hopelessly mistitled and cannot possibly stay "on topic".
The OP can't simply request us to stay on topic about something that's not about the actual topic.
04-23-2018 01:00 PM
04-23-2018 01:02 PM
@chrysylys wrote:
@cb-boards wrote:
With that being said, I have a particular listing that up until 2 weeks ago, over the prior 3 months I had sold a whopping total of 5 of these items. About 2 weeks ago I managed to sell 3 in a 2 day period to different buyers. Over the course of the next 2 weeks I sold 19...about 4x the amount in two weeks then I had sold in the prior 3 months!!! This is not an exogenous event, I have seen these types of patterns so many times that I can not possibly think it is an exogenous coincidence.
More likely what happend is there was little demand for this widget at first. Somebody found it, tried it, then talked abut it on some other discussion board somewhere. Some of the readers decided to try it also. I've done that myself a few times when I found things here I liked.
No tin foil hat required.
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Or another widget replaced it and this one is now obselete.
Or more likely a particular widget that is a want not a necessity only appeals to a limited number of people. And now these people all have them.
I can give a very good example of that.
I collect plastic puzzle leychains. I and a group of others apparently because when they started getting listed in January there were literally bidding wars over them. I would refresh constantly and you had to be there in the first minute for the buy it now ones.
Fast forward 3 months. Now this group apparently has all the common ones. So the new ones being listed now are just sitting there unless it is a hard to find one.
04-23-2018 01:03 PM
I didn't say anything about seasons.