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Sudden lack of bidders?

I list under several other accounts, plus a few at work.
Most items are vintage motorcycle, bicycle, and automotive parts, trim, and collectables. 

One is sporting goods, and one is used professional hand tools.

 

Across the board both the work accounts and my personal accounts have seen nearly a complete slow down of buying since around October. On top of that, out of the last 100 or so items, there's 15 non paying bidders.

The watcher count is normal, if not higher than before, but the same items, most of which were all attracting dozens of bidders before, suddenly have no takers. I've spoke to a handful of other local sellers and they say they're seeing the same thing, in other categories. (One sells vintage clothing, one sells electronics parts, and another sells antique watches, watch parts, and clocks). All have seen the same sudden decline.

As far as 2020-21 being strange years, I really didn't see any increase or drop in sales during that period till just now.

But now we're seeing a ton of No Pays, along with a ton of emails offering pennies on the dollar for items listed. (Got offered $15 for a $450 wrench set, got another emails saying my prices were too high, 'What am I going to do about it?', and another person won an item, which they an one other bidder ran way up far beyond what it would usually sell for, then they ask me if I'd give them a discount since they bid too high, I canceled and relisted the item, blocked the winning bidder.)

I could go on and on, but it seems the serious buyers are gone all of a sudden.

I had one bidder win a pair of wheels, shipping was high, and I put a warning in the ad for buyer to check the shipping total before bidding. The only bidder wins, then emails asking if he could pick them up, I tell him no problem. He then replies that I'm too far away and to go ahead and sell them to someone else?

I blocked that bidder, they got relisted, they sell again, and I get the same thing, this time the bidder is farther away and they don't want to pay for shipping, they want me to eat half the shipping on an item that sold for minimum bid. Again I cancel the item. They finally sold to a real buyer and got shipped to Japan. The buyer was glad to have them.

 

Another thing I see all the time that I really can't figure out is that sometimes I'll list two basically identical items, side by side with a BIN. One item will get bid up way over the original BIN, but the other item never got a bid? Both got similar attention, but only one got bid on. Both were stock photo, identical ads.  They were $300 items, one sat with a BIN of $299.99, the other took an early bid of $225, and got bid up to $388.

As a buyer too, I can't figure how one of those bidders who lost out on the one didn't just buy the second item. Worse yet, the second item got relisted, and didn't sell for 8 weeks. Both were new old stock fishing reels new in the box from 1995. The item that sold had 365 watchers, and 21 bids, the second one had 311 watchers and no bids. The ads were carbon copies with codes to ID each sale in the text and title.

They went off 18 minutes apart.  I wasn't the only one listing the same model item at that time, a few were the same price, most were $30 higher than my BIN.

When I relisted after 8 weeks I added $45 to the price, putting mine far above all the others listed. I got a few nasty emails saying they 'were watching it and would have bought it at the old price but not now'. Three weeks later I upped the price from $344.99 fixed  to $325 with a BIN of $399. It sold two days later for the $399.99 BIN, go figure. After the sale, two of the bidders who had sent nasty messages about me raising the price wanted to know if I had any more.

I didn't think I did but when I did find two more, I listed them and let those who asked that they were listed, each came back with excuses about not having any money, one made a $75 offer. They went unsold all winter. They finally sold locally to a regular buyer at work.

 

 

 

Its not just eBay that's off, personally I list on FB and CL too, both have been completely dead all winter. 

I've even put up some really desirable items and got nothing but crickets, not even a scammer email.
I hear the same complaints at work, no customers, or customers with no money. The used car lot next door to work hasn't sold a car in months and is going under, the pizza shop across the street is also dying a slow death, and they have great food.

There's no one in the stores either, even the grocery store was devoid of people on Sat. afternoon.

 

I realize this is more or less a bit of a rant, but there's no doubt something going on with bidders lately.

Hot items are sitting unsold, items that drew 50 bidders every week for years are suddenly dead.

Grail items that would have sold in minutes before get nothing but watchers regardless of price all of a sudden.

 

 

 

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@reelworks 

 

Really sorry to hear.

 

Our sales on both accounts are very steady (we have 19 going out tomorrow from Sunday, Monday).  I think sometimes it is so very hit or miss...........hopefully, it will be your turn again here soon.

 

It is stressful though - no way to predict/control the ebbs and flows on here.


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Well, there's $3-$4 gas, no more stimulus, people quitting jobs left and right, inflation highest since Jimmy Carter left office, holiday bills, the absurd price of food...it's a lot.

 

That's before taking into consideration all of the hobby buyers that were sellers that no longer sell online due to the new 1099K reporting trigger of $600 (those sellers were buyers too.)

 

Hang in there! Hopefully once people get their refunds they will be able to spend some of it and be broke by Easter like usual.

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Given that spending is up something like 9% across the board, I think people are just tired of being online and spending their money elsewhere.  Also eBay has been declining for a while - their profits are more and more from cannibalizing the site for ad revenue.  And there was the pandemic bump - even Amazon is down.


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Gas here is $3.11, diesel $3.55, heating oil $4.22. stores are empty, very few people, lots of empty shelves.
I don't buy it that its due to shipping issues, the items that are gone from the shelves are local sourced items.

The supermarket for instance the other day was out of bread, milk, meat, flour, sugar, and snack items.

A year ago it was paper goods and snacks that were missing but not much else.  There are signs all over the stores saying that "due to the supply chain issues these items are in short supply".  A same brand store 15 miles up the road is fully stocked. 

 

Money is tight these days but in the nearly 20 years on here I've never seen it this bad. Certain items always sell, till now. Back in Aug. we were shipping 20-30 items a day, then when Sept rolled around it went dead, maybe one or two items a week at best. Then it picked up a bit mid Nov. but its been one or two items a week ever since.  Sept has always been bad, and we always attributed that to school starting.

Our best selling months were always Nov through Feb. That's held true for all these years. This year is different.

There wasn't much of a jump in 2020, a few things moved faster but not by much.

What has increased is non paying bidders and bidders who never leave feedback.

In years past, nearly all buyers left feedback, now its 1 out of a 100 at best. I sold 59 items last year on my one personal account, 9 left feedback, 21 of those buyers were repeat buyers, 11 of them bought more than three times. 44 of those items were sold through the Global Shipping program. 

 

At work, almost nothing goes overseas, sales are down 88% from four years ago.

I get a ton of complaints about shipping but when many items are over 3 lbs, options are limited.

Often the best option is Priority Flat rate boxes, but that don't help larger items like motorcycle or bicycle wheels or tires. FedEx has been the best option there but the cost is no doubt a deterrent to many.

 

A few things we did learn over the years is to avoid clothing, and to avoid 'kids' items. Those categories always led to a ton of returns and a ton of scammers. The boss got tired of folks buying things, using them for a few weeks, then returning either their old one or one they ruined for a refund. At first it was a few items a month, then it got to be nearly every other item so he sold it all to a local flea market guy and shut those accounts down. Even now, if we list something 'FOR PARTS ONLY' with a clear description that its not complete or doesn't work, you still get the buyers who complain it don't work.

What I really get tired of is buyers who buy something listed for a Ford, then complain it won't fit their Toyota. (Had a guy buy a used steering wheel off a 2007 Ford truck complain it wouldn't fit his Camry). He filed a INAD and we were out the shipping.  That sort of crap has to stop here.

That along with those who win an item, then never pay, or come up with lame excuses as to why they can't pay, or those who try to negotiate a lower price after winning an auction.

I always thought the rules were "Your bid is your contract" here but that seems to have gone out the window. I'm also seeing quite a few cancelled bids on certain items. They bid and retract three or four bids before finally leaving a bid in place, many retract bids last minute too, leaving the item either unsold or sold at the minimum bid

 

On the buying side, searching anything here is a real mess, it refuses to block out the Chinese sellers using US addresses, it refuses to let me set permanent search parameters.

I don't care to buy counterfeit Chinese items but the site is packed with thousands of those ads.

Many have horrible feedback, yet they continue to sell low quality, inferior items.

Amazon isn't much better lately.

 

Locally, things don't sell, CL and FB are dead, all you get is replies looking to collect email addresses and phone numbers. I still keep a few hundred items listed on each but I think I had one sale all last year on CL, and none at all on FB. As a buyer, I've done well on CL, but have never been able to buy anything through FB. Most people just never reply back yet the ads stay listed for months. I just figure those items are fake ads?

Like eBay's Non Paying bidders, CL has a ton of no shows, folks who make contact, call, tell you they want the item or want to see it then never show up.

Lately for some reason I keep getting folks from 1000 miles away contacting me on CL only to realize I'm too far away. Not sure if they're that dumb or if they're also just collecting information.

 

Right before New Years I had a bidder email me here asking if I'd let him pick up an item in person, he was emailing about a set of wheels. I said no problem, but he doesn't bid for two weeks, he finally wins the item, and it turns out he's 1,800 miles away. He tells me he's got a friend that's closer to me, (only 800 miles away), and that his friend will pick up the item and pay me cash. I never heard back from him again.
I canceled the sale after two weeks and relisted the item. That buyer had over 5k 100% positive feedbacks.

I have had a few long distance buyers, the farthest came 2800 miles to pickup an item that would have shipped for $40. I had one buyer, who was a no pay, email me 4 months after the fact under a new eBay name asking if I still had the item they won, with a long explanation about how his ex wouldn't let him pay and that he spent the last two months in jail and now that he was 'back on his feet' he's still interested in the item. (It had been relisted and sold months ago).

 

 

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Had a guy buy a used steering wheel off a 2007 Ford truck complain it wouldn't fit his Camry). He filed a INAD and we were out the shipping..”


That is quite a hefty post, but i did read the whole thing.

 

Had this thought: On INADs like that, an appeal might get eBay to reverse their decision. Below is the eBay policy on appealing a case. That might come in handy for future reference.


https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/managing-returns-refunds/appeal-ebays-decision-return-missing-item...

 

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I tried getting it reversed but was told that since the ad which read '2007 F250/350 Steering wheel/Gray/Used', and no where in the text did I specify it didn't fit a Toyota Camry, there was nothing they could do. They had refunded the buyer before I knew what was going on.  The item arrived in a half ass package as a return, not in the factory box I sent it in.  It was a new wheel that had been replaced for some unseen blemish under warranty. 

 

Most of what I'm seeing now is items that were getting 500 views two months ago are getting 2 and 3 views now and no bids. I haven't had a paying bidder in two weeks. A few others that sell in the same categories have also told me the same thing. Its as if everyone turned off their computer and went to sleep lately. 

 

Lots of questions and lowball offers even on items without "Best Offer" listed. The offers are always pretty ridiculously low. Over the past 6 months, not a single person who asked a question or made an offer ended up being the winning bidder if the item did sell.

I had 4 canceled bids last week, items that drew bids early on only to have the bids canceled right before the item ended, leaving it unsold.

I figured the intent was to knock out the BIN price early on but since it never sold, all it did was prevent a sale. Two bidders put a bid on an item taking it to just over the BIN price, then they both canceled the bids at the very last minute.  I've seen this a few times now on various items. Never has the item sold though, it just sat all week with a bid likely too high to draw any other bidders. If only one bid was left in place, I could see it being the winning bidder preventing the BIN from being used, but all bids got canceled.

 

 

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Seeing the same thing here, it been dead since Sept and getting worse since. Plenty of hits and watchers but no bidders. Lots of penny type offers on big dollar items and a few cancelled bids at the last minute too.

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It's worse now in April, seems to be non U.S. bidders on all my items  and 3 non paying last week  I have only had one non paying since 1999 before now, right now America is on edge with this inflation/recession stagflation coming is my guess

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Lack of bidders = Lack of interest in that item.

Many bidders or Bidding war = Lots of interest in that item.

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