Stop NEW and Zero Feed Back Buyers from bidding on my Auctions

[imrrocom]

I'm getting tired of this and it has become a pattern,   New Bidder Signs up for eBay that same day bids on my item then never pays basically goes into ghost mode.  eBay Charges me all the selling fees etc. then eBay takes money out of my account with out payment from the seller.  I need to go back to eBay get all this reversed,  during this time I can not relist the item etc.   do to all the waiting etc.  I think it happens so much at this point on a particular item I almost think it is another seller making up fake accounts.  How many time can I sell the same printer to brand new bidders that never pay.  

[chapeau-noir]

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@jonathankirkland wrote:

I did have an idea about auctions, though it's probably not feasible in the slightest. But I thought the idea 'sounded' nice.

Now this would be if payments could be made and reversed in real time:

So when you bid on an auction, whatever you bid is automatically charged to your payment method. If you get outbid, the money is put back or charge reversed.

This way bidders would have to be serious with their bids.

I know, not feasible, but I thought it was a nice idea.

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This can be fixed just like offers can be fixed - on any other website where I take offers, once the offer is accepted by the buyer, payment is automatically withdrawn from their account.  This could be done here for both offers AND auctions - and one doesn't have to have the payment in and out just for being the leading bidder, just if one actually wins the auction.

It probably will never happen here.

[coolections]

@chapeau-noir 

No one in their right mind would ever fall for such a trap. Who would give a blank check to someone on line just case you may win an auction.  That would never work. 

[bargainnation]

A few years ago when I was setting up preference for buyers that there was an option I could select that would restrict/block buyers who did not have a certain number of feedbacks the same way a seller can restrict/block buyers who have so many strikes against them for non-payment.

Then about 2 years ago I noticed that particular feature was no longer available as an option for sellers but it most definitely was at one time.  When I saw that feature I recalled thinking to myself that it was like a catch-22 situation for buyers but on the other hand a lot of sellers did not utilize this feature so it was still possible for new buyers to build up their feedback.

[soh.maryl]

There has never been an option to block buyers "under a certain feedback number".  That would mean that no new buyers could ever have the opportunity to buy on eBay, wouldn't it?

[releasethekraken_1]

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@bargainnation wrote:

A few years ago when I was setting up preference for buyers that there was an option I could select that would restrict/block buyers who did not have a certain number of feedbacks the same way a seller can restrict/block buyers who have so many strikes against them for non-payment.

Then about 2 years ago I noticed that particular feature was no longer available as an option for sellers but it most definitely was at one time.  When I saw that feature I recalled thinking to myself that it was like a catch-22 situation for buyers but on the other hand a lot of sellers did not utilize this feature so it was still possible for new buyers to build up their feedback.

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Never in the history of eBay have sellers been able to completely block buyers with a zero or a low positive feedback score. That would have been corporate suicide. There were two blocks available:

1) Block buyers with an overall negative score (-1, -2, etc.). This is obviously useless now, because negative feedback for buyers was eliminated 13 years ago.

2) This is the one that confuses people, and makes them think they can block "zeros", or could in the good old days: block buyers with a low feedback score from bidding on or buying more than one of your items within a certain time period. This option is shown in the screen shot in message #7; the person who posted it unfortunately proceeded to misinterpret it. You can prevent a zero feedback buyer from purchasing more than one, but you can't block them from buying that first one.

[soh.maryl]

EXACTLY! 

[maxine*j]

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@inhawaii wrote:

Why not just ban all "0" buyers from ebay, period.  That'll teach 'em.

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Such a simple, yet genius, idea!     And, wait!  I had trouble once with a first-time seller, so can we ban "0" sellers, as well?    😃

[vintage-car-magazines]

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@chapeau-noir wrote:

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@jonathankirkland wrote:

I did have an idea about auctions, though it's probably not feasible in the slightest. But I thought the idea 'sounded' nice.

Now this would be if payments could be made and reversed in real time:

So when you bid on an auction, whatever you bid is automatically charged to your payment method. If you get outbid, the money is put back or charge reversed.

This way bidders would have to be serious with their bids.

I know, not feasible, but I thought it was a nice idea.

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This can be fixed just like offers can be fixed - on any other website where I take offers, once the offer is accepted by the buyer, payment is automatically withdrawn from their account.  This could be done here for both offers AND auctions - and one doesn't have to have the payment in and out just for being the leading bidder, just if one actually wins the auction.

It probably will never happen here.

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I like the concept. The trouble I see is when it's coupled with eBay's return policies. My concern would be non-payers turning into returners. It would definitely stop the sport bidders.

[chapeau-noir]

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@vintage-car-magazines wrote:

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@chapeau-noir wrote:

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@jonathankirkland wrote:

I did have an idea about auctions, though it's probably not feasible in the slightest. But I thought the idea 'sounded' nice.

Now this would be if payments could be made and reversed in real time:

So when you bid on an auction, whatever you bid is automatically charged to your payment method. If you get outbid, the money is put back or charge reversed.

This way bidders would have to be serious with their bids.

I know, not feasible, but I thought it was a nice idea.

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This can be fixed just like offers can be fixed - on any other website where I take offers, once the offer is accepted by the buyer, payment is automatically withdrawn from their account.  This could be done here for both offers AND auctions - and one doesn't have to have the payment in and out just for being the leading bidder, just if one actually wins the auction.

It probably will never happen here.

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I like the concept. The trouble I see is when it's coupled with eBay's return policies. My concern would be non-payers turning into returners. It would definitely stop the sport bidders.

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The other sites do allow returns - they're handled the same way with refunds from the same payment source AFTER the seller has certified that the item has returned in condition shipped. 

Where I see the problem is the multiple items combined with auctions (i.e., one person winning several auctions) - that would be the stumbling block on this. 

ETA:  Offers can be combined into a bundle and the bundle offered on - that's done on another site - combo shipping and the rest are already factored in.  Single auctions it would work well on.

[soh.maryl]

No, it's not feasible.

And how long do you figure it would take for that money to get back into your account, taking into consideration how long managed payments are currently taking to get to your bank?

Would-be buyers bid and are outbid nearly continuously on eBay.  Funds would be taken out of your payment source and refunded to your payment source at warp speed.

[vintage-car-magazines]

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@chapeau-noir wrote:

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@vintage-car-magazines wrote:

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@chapeau-noir wrote:

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@jonathankirkland wrote:

I did have an idea about auctions, though it's probably not feasible in the slightest. But I thought the idea 'sounded' nice.

Now this would be if payments could be made and reversed in real time:

So when you bid on an auction, whatever you bid is automatically charged to your payment method. If you get outbid, the money is put back or charge reversed.

This way bidders would have to be serious with their bids.

I know, not feasible, but I thought it was a nice idea.

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This can be fixed just like offers can be fixed - on any other website where I take offers, once the offer is accepted by the buyer, payment is automatically withdrawn from their account.  This could be done here for both offers AND auctions - and one doesn't have to have the payment in and out just for being the leading bidder, just if one actually wins the auction.

It probably will never happen here.

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I like the concept. The trouble I see is when it's coupled with eBay's return policies. My concern would be non-payers turning into returners. It would definitely stop the sport bidders.

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The other sites do allow returns - they're handled the same way with refunds from the same payment source AFTER the seller has certified that the item has returned in condition shipped. 

Where I see the problem is the multiple items combined with auctions (i.e., one person winning several auctions) - that would be the stumbling block on this. 

ETA:  Offers can be combined into a bundle and the bundle offered on - that's done on another site - combo shipping and the rest are already factored in.  Single auctions it would work well on.

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they're handled the same way with refunds from the same payment source AFTER the seller has certified that the item has returned in condition shipped

That's a key difference. It's not returns per se....it's how they're done here.

The issue you raised with auctions would be a real challenge for combined shipping. Add to that, auctions that may end a day later and another a day later, etc. I'm sure some smart people could find a reasonable approach that would work. 

[chapeau-noir]

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@vintage-car-magazines wrote:

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@chapeau-noir wrote:

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@vintage-car-magazines wrote:

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@chapeau-noir wrote:

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@jonathankirkland wrote:

I did have an idea about auctions, though it's probably not feasible in the slightest. But I thought the idea 'sounded' nice.

Now this would be if payments could be made and reversed in real time:

So when you bid on an auction, whatever you bid is automatically charged to your payment method. If you get outbid, the money is put back or charge reversed.

This way bidders would have to be serious with their bids.

I know, not feasible, but I thought it was a nice idea.

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This can be fixed just like offers can be fixed - on any other website where I take offers, once the offer is accepted by the buyer, payment is automatically withdrawn from their account.  This could be done here for both offers AND auctions - and one doesn't have to have the payment in and out just for being the leading bidder, just if one actually wins the auction.

It probably will never happen here.

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I like the concept. The trouble I see is when it's coupled with eBay's return policies. My concern would be non-payers turning into returners. It would definitely stop the sport bidders.

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The other sites do allow returns - they're handled the same way with refunds from the same payment source AFTER the seller has certified that the item has returned in condition shipped. 

Where I see the problem is the multiple items combined with auctions (i.e., one person winning several auctions) - that would be the stumbling block on this. 

ETA:  Offers can be combined into a bundle and the bundle offered on - that's done on another site - combo shipping and the rest are already factored in.  Single auctions it would work well on.

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they're handled the same way with refunds from the same payment source AFTER the seller has certified that the item has returned in condition shipped

That's a key difference. It's not returns per se....it's how they're done here.

The issue you raised with auctions would be a real challenge for combined shipping. Add to that, auctions that may end a day later and another a day later, etc. I'm sure some smart people could find a reasonable approach that would work. 

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Yeah, it's a tough problem, and this site isn't exactly cutting edge in any of this stuff.  The ability to pay for several auctions ending over a span of time is a unique characteristic of eBay that also makes it  difficult to have any kind of auto-payment system (without having a bunch of little payments coming in and complete confusion, especially with MP).  Yet, it's also something that also distinguishes the site.

At least they could apply it to offers (though this doesn't help the OP) with a bundling option, but I don't see that happening, either.