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Splitting profits with a partner

Hello all, I’m looking for a little advice. I just purchased a storage unit full of smalls with a partner to resell on eBay. I’m trying to figure out the best option for splitting profits. Previously we have sold stuff together and I just simply ran it through my account and gave him half the profit a couple weeks later once everything was shipped and cleared. With the new tax laws and the large volume of items we plan to list I’m worried if I do it the same way I’m going to get hammered next tax season. Does anyone have any advice on how to split the profits so we each only get half the taxable income? I’ve looked into LLC’s a little, eBay recommended a joint bank account (which I don’t love the idea of), am I over thinking it? Any advice is greatly appreciated

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Just to clarify since this post seems to have gotten a little off topic. I appreciate all the concerns over not going into partnerships and to split the items and sell individually, however this is not a concern at all and I'm fully aware of the risks. The storage unit we got is a 1 time deal and we will most likely only make a few thousand each. We aren't looking to do this full time. My only concern is how to give him his cut without taking on an addition say $15k (not sure exactly how much we stand to make yet) on my personal income tax when I receive the 1099-k form from Ebay in January of 2023. 

 

I do plan to take some of your advice and try to discuss this with a tax advisor. I'm also trying to look into the other options, LLC's, COGS, 1099 form etc. Thank you all for the advice so far!

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Well it suck needs to be done with a contract: and when you pay them do so in check so you can show it as an expense on what you make.  In other words as a business so you can write of such expenses.

 

As others have said get advice from a tax person

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@frank6013   Have your partner create their own account then split up the items to sell on the different accounts.  If you did not report the income from sales previously you will have to now.  

If you had equal share in the acquisition cost of the lot or anything else you two sell split that for tax purposes ... each account will receive a 1099K at the end of the year if sales are over $ 600.00.

You can also split other costs like packaging materials, etc.

It sounds like you file separately for tax purposes so the above splits everything BEFORE any sales occur ...

 

Based on sales volume and reported income you will most likely have to pay quarterly tax estimates in 2023 so again, splitting things beforehand helps avoid issues in the future.

 

Mr. L

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Don't bother looking into a LLC for a one time purchase.  It's time, paperwork and money that are not well spent in your case.

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@frank6013 wrote:

Just to clarify since this post seems to have gotten a little off topic. I appreciate all the concerns over not going into partnerships and to split the items and sell individually, however this is not a concern at all and I'm fully aware of the risks. The storage unit we got is a 1 time deal and we will most likely only make a few thousand each. We aren't looking to do this full time. My only concern is how to give him his cut without taking on an addition say $15k (not sure exactly how much we stand to make yet) on my personal income tax when I receive the 1099-k form from Ebay in January of 2023. 


Let's use this example:

 

  • The unit cost $1000 and you each pay $500 at the storage sale
  • You sell the contents for $5000, and the selling fees and expenses are $1000
  • You each net $1500

In a perfect world, you and your partner would each report $2500 in income, $500 in cost of good sold (what you paid at the storage sale), $500 in selling expenses (half of the $1000), and pay whatever taxes that additional $1500 in net income would incur.

 

But what you are planning to do is not that perfect world.

 

In your world, you will get a 1099-K for $5000, and you will need to deduct the $500 you paid at the storage sale as cost of good sold, the $1000 in selling expenses, and the $2000 you will pay to your partner. This leaves you with that same $1500 in taxable income.

 

But the IRS does not want the $2000 you will pay to your partner to escape taxation by "falling the cracks" and not being reported as income by your partner. So I think you will need to check with a tax professional to see whether you are supposed to send your partner a 1099 for that $2000 or not.

 

 

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I have run my one person business for approximately 45 years by myself.

No partners.

I’m the buyer & seller…etc., etc., etc.

but I can tell you this…

Virtually all people I encounter and do business with repeatedly over 4 decades whether buying from them or selling to them, I work in a situation of  TRUST.

Trust, a handshake, my word, their word, a written scrap of paper…


The answer to your question is trust!

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Wow this tax thing is just the excuse I've been looking for, to "break up" with the local BAM vintage store guy I've been selling for, for a couple years now.  I've been trying to think of a polite exit, even though our arrangement has always worked out GREAT, 50/50 split for me doing all the photographing, listing, shipping (the post office is directly across the street from his store) but him buying and keeping the inventory for sale to walk-in customers as opposed to hogging precious space in my house, and both of us immediately notifying the other if an item sells, so that the other can remove it from viewability, to prevent double-selling it.   And I don't pay him his half until the buyer has either left feedback or the return window has elapsed. 

None of that has ever been a problem because we're talking a relatively low number of items, like maybe 20 simultaneously-listed at the very most, but usually fewer than 10.   Honestly, I would do it again with another store owner and wouldn't discourage anyone reading this to give it a try, if you have a local store with good stuff being overlooked by local customers (priced lower than it'd fetch on ebay but not low enough to just buy it and provide shelf space for it until it sells), and you like the person/people who run it. 

But that's just the thing with this guy, for some reason the quality of items he's been getting hold of has steadily declined, and his personality has become increasingly abrasive.  When he gets something he thinks might sell on Ebay he texts me photos along with prices he found online, but always LIST prices, refuses to check SOLDs, in fact he doesn't even check ebay itself, just google so yeah sometimes he gets an utter bananas impression of value. I don't mind doing the Solds lookup myself, but he often seems really disappointed when I tell him how non-valuable something is, like it almost seems like he doesn't believe me.   Also he has selective memory about things I have said a thousand times, like how hard it is to sell decorative items without any maker's mark, how I'd rather not risk breakables like glass unless it's a pretty valuable piece, how things like games need to have all their parts.  And ugh, he doesn't know what 'clean' actually means.  Part of why his store doesn't get much foot traffic is he lets his 2 big dogs run loose in it, they shed and he doesn't vacuum or dust, I have even smelled poop a couple times, also seen plenty of mouse droppings on shelves.  I have to bring cleaning supplies to photograph most items, even though he says he already did but they've still got highly visible grime in all the nooks and crannies.  

And while his inventory quality has steadily decreased, his political stances and need to talk about them has steadily increased, even though I usually try to change the subject and when I do engage I make it pretty clear I don't agree with his position, yet each new visit he talks like I'm one of his buddies that sees things like he does, especially if he thinks he can make it .....funny?  Ugh. 

So wow, I've never written so much about this relationship, lol.  Feels good to get it off my chest, and now with this "I'm gonna have to pay taxes on all our sales" thing, I think I'll be able to offramp from this dude.  Funny thing is I never thought of it before, it actually IS worth considering, and given his political views I think he'd see anything involving taxes as a legit point of contention.  

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I realize you think this plan is foolproof and you have everything covered.

....but. I would ask myself one question. Should this go south, how devastating to my life would the loss of the friendship be? Think about it.

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Wow this tax thing is just the excuse I've been looking for, to "break up" with the local BAM vintage store guy I've been selling for, for a couple years now.  I've been trying to think of a polite exit, even though our arrangement has always worked out GREAT, 50/50 split for me doing all the photographing, listing, shipping (the post office is directly across the street from his store) but him buying and keeping the inventory for sale to walk-in customers as opposed to hogging precious space in my house, and both of us immediately notifying the other if an item sells, so that the other can remove it from viewability, to prevent double-selling it.   And I don't pay him his half until the buyer has either left feedback or the return window has elapsed. 

None of that has ever been a problem because we're talking a relatively low number of items, like maybe 20 simultaneously-listed at the very most, but usually fewer than 10.   Honestly, I would do it again with another store owner and wouldn't discourage anyone reading this to give it a try, if you have a local store with good stuff being overlooked by local customers (priced lower than it'd fetch on ebay but not low enough to just buy it and provide shelf space for it until it sells), and you like the person/people who run it. 

But that's just the thing with this guy, for some reason the quality of items he's been getting hold of has steadily declined, and his personality has become increasingly abrasive.  When he gets something he thinks might sell on Ebay he texts me photos along with prices he found online, but always LIST prices, refuses to check SOLDs, in fact he doesn't even check ebay itself, just google so yeah sometimes he gets an utter bananas impression of value. I don't mind doing the Solds lookup myself, but he often seems really disappointed when I tell him how non-valuable something is, like it almost seems like he doesn't believe me.   Also he has selective memory about things I have said a thousand times, like how hard it is to sell decorative items without any maker's mark, how I'd rather not risk breakables like glass unless it's a pretty valuable piece, how things like games need to have all their parts.  And ugh, he doesn't know what 'clean' actually means.  Part of why his store doesn't get much foot traffic is he lets his 2 big dogs run loose in it, they shed and he doesn't vacuum or dust, I have even smelled poop a couple times, also seen plenty of mouse droppings on shelves.  I have to bring cleaning supplies to photograph most items, even though he says he already did but they've still got highly visible grime in all the nooks and crannies.  

And while his inventory quality has steadily decreased, his political stances and need to talk about them has steadily increased, even though I usually try to change the subject and when I do engage I make it pretty clear I don't agree with his position, yet each new visit he talks like I'm one of his buddies that sees things like he does, especially if he thinks he can make it .....funny?  Ugh. 

So wow, I've never written so much about this relationship, lol.  Feels good to get it off my chest, and now with this "I'm gonna have to pay taxes on all our sales" thing, I think I'll be able to offramp from this dude.  Funny thing is I never thought of it before, it actually IS worth considering, and given his political views I think he'd see anything involving taxes as a legit point of contention.  


@gurlcat   Another approach is to set the lowest price you will sell anything for for anyone else.  You can cite fees, taxes, expenses plus the ROI on your invested time.  It's a positive approach whereby you will be happy to still sell but the minimum priced item for sale will have to be "X" and you pick that number and make it a good amount.   You can spend about the same amount of time listing a $ 10 item as you would a $ 100 item ... he will understand that for sure plus it lets you do the cherry picking ... keep this in mind, your knowledge and expertise in selling online is the value you bring to the table ... he can always do it himself if he wants but at the end of the day you want to be happy with the money you make based on the time you invest ...

 

Mr. L

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Mr. Lincoln - Community Mentor
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I'm not an accountant.

 

But I would write a check and write it off as an expense. Your signed check is proof.

 

Off subject... We've done deals like this with partners in the past. "In the past" are the key words. You seem like a good person. Good people attract crooks.

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We are in a selling co-op and it is an LLC. 

 

We buy product that way and it is tied to a master-agreement with AZ.  4 partners, have yet to meet 1 of them live, only on zoom.

 

E-Bay is different.  Consult a CPA, file for an EIN for an entity (free) and have that entity's EIN on file with e-Bay vs your SSN. 

 

If you start a "new" account, you will have listing limits, etc.  Might be better to update the account you have.  Have your CPA outline several tax collection scenarios.  I would pay in quarterly to avoid issues.  Your CPA can create a burden rate for you for taxes on your sales to set aside per sale/month.

 

Good luck!  Sounds like FUN!!!


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@iart wrote:

I'm not an accountant.

 

But I would write a check and write it off as an expense. Your signed check is proof.

 

Off subject... We've done deals like this with partners in the past. "In the past" are the key words. You seem like a good person. Good people attract crooks.


This is what I do to pay the B&M store (and in Canada we also do "e Transfers" to wire money between accounts as well). The cheque is payable to the store's business, so it's up to him to deal with his own finances. In the event of an audit, I have cancelled cheques and bank records (I do eTransfers with non-store related transactions, like buying extra stuff that belongs to my roommate's friends).

 

C.

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@gurlcat wrote:

Wow this tax thing is just the excuse I've been looking for, to "break up" with the local BAM vintage store guy I've been selling for, for a couple years now.  I've been trying to think of a polite exit, even though our arrangement has always worked out GREAT, 50/50 split for me doing all the photographing, listing, shipping (the post office is directly across the street from his store) but him buying and keeping the inventory for sale to walk-in customers as opposed to hogging precious space in my house, and both of us immediately notifying the other if an item sells, so that the other can remove it from viewability, to prevent double-selling it.   And I don't pay him his half until the buyer has either left feedback or the return window has elapsed. 

None of that has ever been a problem because we're talking a relatively low number of items, like maybe 20 simultaneously-listed at the very most, but usually fewer than 10.   Honestly, I would do it again with another store owner and wouldn't discourage anyone reading this to give it a try, if you have a local store with good stuff being overlooked by local customers (priced lower than it'd fetch on ebay but not low enough to just buy it and provide shelf space for it until it sells), and you like the person/people who run it. 

But that's just the thing with this guy, for some reason the quality of items he's been getting hold of has steadily declined, and his personality has become increasingly abrasive.  When he gets something he thinks might sell on Ebay he texts me photos along with prices he found online, but always LIST prices, refuses to check SOLDs, in fact he doesn't even check ebay itself, just google so yeah sometimes he gets an utter bananas impression of value. I don't mind doing the Solds lookup myself, but he often seems really disappointed when I tell him how non-valuable something is, like it almost seems like he doesn't believe me.   Also he has selective memory about things I have said a thousand times, like how hard it is to sell decorative items without any maker's mark, how I'd rather not risk breakables like glass unless it's a pretty valuable piece, how things like games need to have all their parts.  And ugh, he doesn't know what 'clean' actually means.  Part of why his store doesn't get much foot traffic is he lets his 2 big dogs run loose in it, they shed and he doesn't vacuum or dust, I have even smelled poop a couple times, also seen plenty of mouse droppings on shelves.  I have to bring cleaning supplies to photograph most items, even though he says he already did but they've still got highly visible grime in all the nooks and crannies.  

And while his inventory quality has steadily decreased, his political stances and need to talk about them has steadily increased, even though I usually try to change the subject and when I do engage I make it pretty clear I don't agree with his position, yet each new visit he talks like I'm one of his buddies that sees things like he does, especially if he thinks he can make it .....funny?  Ugh. 

So wow, I've never written so much about this relationship, lol.  Feels good to get it off my chest, and now with this "I'm gonna have to pay taxes on all our sales" thing, I think I'll be able to offramp from this dude.  Funny thing is I never thought of it before, it actually IS worth considering, and given his political views I think he'd see anything involving taxes as a legit point of contention.  


@gurlcat   Another approach is to set the lowest price you will sell anything for for anyone else.  You can cite fees, taxes, expenses plus the ROI on your invested time.  It's a positive approach whereby you will be happy to still sell but the minimum priced item for sale will have to be "X" and you pick that number and make it a good amount.   You can spend about the same amount of time listing a $ 10 item as you would a $ 100 item ... he will understand that for sure plus it lets you do the cherry picking ... keep this in mind, your knowledge and expertise in selling online is the value you bring to the table ... he can always do it himself if he wants but at the end of the day you want to be happy with the money you make based on the time you invest ...

 

Mr. L


Yeah we had a sale price minimum, but of course that unrealistic estimation thing he had often meant trying to convince me something was worth at least that amount, when I knew it wasn't, ha.  
--But notice I'm talking about the situation in the past tense?  That's because TO-DAY I gave him the pink slip!  I went to pick up an item that sold (set of 10 collectors ceramic plates that didn't fetch much and I'll pack them like newborn babies but still probably have one or more reported broken by the buyer, whether it was them who dropped it or not, ha), and I just decided, 'today is the day' so I told him about the tax situation and he didn't seem that bummed!  I think it helped that I'd been listing fewer and fewer items over the past several months, so quitting altogether won't be a very sudden or noticeable income loss for him.  

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