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Ebay now no longer trusts sellers to send invoices unless we need to make alterations in the shipping costs. I guess this is punishment for those of us who chose not to require immediate payment. To make this new policy even more laughable is the new message in red that appears when you try to send your own invoice:

 

Send an invoice only if shipping adjustments are needed. We will SPEND payment reminders to the buyer on your behalf.

 

The idiots who don't trust us to send our own invoices can't even be trusted themselves to use the correct English word when admonishing us! I suggest they try to SEND those payment reminders instead of SPENDing them! OR perhaps simply leave us alone in the first place!

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@starrynightrecords wrote:

Absolutely agree with you 300% on this too, you've said it all exactly. The way we feel about this is a generational divide between sellers. The older original sellers like us feel this way. The newer not much sales young kids don't understand this at all. It's not so much about haters but older and younger generations being unable to understand each other whatsoever! 


I have been seller here for 24 years I DO NOT feel as the OP does in any way, shape or form on this topic. I don't care what generations you are the sending of invoices when they are not needed should have been blocked more than a decade ago.

 

It has nothing to do with age or length of time on eBay no matter where on the scale you sit. Just because in 2001 you sent invoices doesn't mean it's appropriate in 2013 or 2023.

 

 

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Because at least for me I did not know that had any affect.  Some sellers use the auto function and some don't.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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What you are saying makes no sense. We have always send our own invoices because it encourages faster payments and I like to add a personal note of thank you in the invoice. eBay needs to reverse this new rule and allow us once again to send our own invoices. Just one more annoying thing to push sellers away to other venues.

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@paytonrules2003 

I sell a lot of items Auction style and I posted about this issue too when it first appeared on my transaction flow last week.  On the thread I have asked for the verbiage that eBay uses in their invoicing and reminder messages as well as frequency.  

I think however a message or invoice from an actual Seller may be more effective because I also suspect that numerous messages from eBay appear as more junk mail to Buyers.  

Most of my auctions end on weekends so on items that are not paid by early Sunday evening I send a message alerting Buyers that we have a regular Monday AM shipping run from weekend sales and purchases completed Sunday evening will ship out at that time.  Ironically, most items get paid in short order and I often get messages back form Buyers letting me know they paid ... I seriously doubt they do that with eBay reminders to pay.   And since I have never seen what eBay sends the messages could just be viewed as more eBay spam by Buyers and subsequently get ignored.

For myself I think it should be the Seller's responsibility to send Invoices, after all, it is their item, their customer and their transaction.  The invoice flow also has a message field and on more than one occasion I have included a note specific to the transaction.  

Regards,
Mr. Lincoln - Community Mentor
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To say ebay no longer allows this because they "no longer trust sellers" is pretty presumptuous.

Why do some sellers have so much animosity towards ebay, yet continue to sell here?

At Seventeen - Janis Ian
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Before this thread got hijacked by mam and jimmy I simply wished to make the following points:

1. Ebay, without announcing it, decided to suddenly stop sellers from sending out invoices unless they had alterations to make. This follows a pattern which I as a long time seller find insulting. If you wish to make a change simply have the courtesy to send out an announcement or message to sellers.

 

2. The change was not done with any thought as they couldn't even be bothered to proofread their big red admonishment to sellers who had the temerity to want to send an invoice and misspelled a word which resulted in changing the meaning of the passage.

 

3. Sellers who wish to send their own invoice minutes after making a sale are not harming anyone. The change was unnecessary. 

 

To MAM AND JIMMY:

 

1. My line about eBay punishing sellers who opt out of forcing immediate payment from their customers was not paranoia - simply sarcasm. I know that eBay does not punish anyone for these kind of things. They don't care enough about individual sellers to target anyone. The immediate payment change is actually a great help to those sellers who don't sell more than one thing at the same time to their customers. They don't need to offer combined shipping. By implementing that change without warning sellers who do like to give breaks on combined shipping they caused confusion and added work as we had to give out piddling $1 and $2 shipping refunds until we figured out how to "unforce" immediate payment by opting out of it. It had been put in as a default without letting us know. Hence my sarcastic reference.

 

2. If a customer can't handle an extra email about a purchase they've made they probably need to go back into hibernation until the spring. We live in a world of hugely excess communication by varied means so an extra thing to delete or ignore is not a big deal.

 

3. Kudos to mam for being willing to use her real ID as I do. Jimmy, don't tell me about your 24 years of experience while hiding behind an ID with feedback totaling 3. Not interested in that kind of hypocrisy.

 

I simply used this posting to vent about eBay continuing their policy of fixing things that were not broken while never alerting affected sellers to the changes. The fact that they couldn't be bothered to proofread it is what probably pushed me over the edge. I apologize if that offended anyone. The fact that they did indeed fix that gaffe within 48 hours after I called it in does show that even they realize how stupid it looked.

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Personally I like to send my own invoice and do not like this additional in red letter warning on my page.I think it gives a personal touch to selling-and buyers appreciate it. 

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@vintageflair2 wrote:

What you are saying makes no sense. We have always send our own invoices because it encourages faster payments and I like to add a personal note of thank you in the invoice. eBay needs to reverse this new rule and allow us once again to send our own invoices. Just one more annoying thing to push sellers away to other venues.


@vintageflair2 

 

I think you misunderstand.  Ebay has sent invoices to the buyer for about 17 years or so.  It is in the email a buyer gets telling them they purchased the item.  There hasn't been a need for sellers to send an invoice in years.  

 

You can always send your buyers a thank you email.  There is nothing preventing you from doing that and you can continue with your great customer care.  It is just a simple change in your process.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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Would someone please post a screen shot of the message you are seeing when you try to send an invoice to your buyer.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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LOL, no hijacking here.  We are on subject.  It may not be the same point of view as you have, but still we are on the same subject. so no hijacking, just a discussion.

 

1.  I have never even commented on you not using IPR.  I didn't realize you didn't use it nor do I remember you saying it before, so I missed it therefore I never even commented on it.

 

With that said, you are right, IPR doesn't work well for sellers that have customers that often buy multiple items from them.  I agree with you.  Just make sure in your Buyer Requirements you have the two new requirements unchecked as when Ebay added them a couple months ago, they auto checked them.

 

So this subject had nothing to do with any of my previous comments.

 

2.  Well yes and no.  But unnecessary / repeat emails can be annoying.

 

3.  OMG, lots and lots and lots of posters use posting IDs.  Sometimes participants on these threads get to feeling very passionate about whatever subject being discussed and sometimes they reach out and try to hurt a posters selling account when there are disagreements.  No one owes you the access to knowledge of what their selling account is to post here.  It also isn't hypocritical either.  


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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If only it were that easy. I’ve been selling on eBay for 22 years. Yes, they’ve always been invoicing customers, but sellers could always send their own invoice. We are prevented from doing that. That option has ended. Sellers are no longer able to invoice their customers. When you try to send an invoice, an eBay message in red pops up stating that the only way we can invoice is if we are changing the shipping price.  Sending our own invoices seems to speed up payment. You may not understand how the system has changed as of last week. 

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@mam98031 wrote:

Would someone please post a screen shot of the message you are seeing when you try to send an invoice to your buyer.


Here you go @mam98031 

 

Note the Discount price field is outlined in red ... unless one either changes the actual shipping cost up the page or fills in that Discount field sending an invoice is blocked (I tested it).   I have a thread on this topic too and posted this screen shot there for the eBay Team to get the red warning banner corrected.

 

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I still strongly suspect the change was due to complaints from buyers of too much email/notifications. eBay is very anxious to keep buyers.

 

Similar to Amazon getting complaints of over-packing orders - in response they did supplement box sizes and change some of their materials, and it improved.


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@chapeau-noir wrote:

 

Similar to Amazon getting complaints of over-packing orders - in response they did supplement box sizes and change some of their materials, and it improved.


I have noticed that Amazon's packing has gotten much, much better lately. It was ridiculous that they were throwing a single bottle of Tylenol into a box with air pillows; these days it comes in one of those paper mailers instead because that's all it needs.

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@vintageflair2 wrote:

If only it were that easy. I’ve been selling on eBay for 22 years. Yes, they’ve always been invoicing customers, but sellers could always send their own invoice. We are prevented from doing that. That option has ended. Sellers are no longer able to invoice their customers. When you try to send an invoice, an eBay message in red pops up stating that the only way we can invoice is if we are changing the shipping price.  Sending our own invoices seems to speed up payment. You may not understand how the system has changed as of last week. 


"seems" to speed up payment? Going forward when you won't be sending a pointless invoice monitor things for a month or two and see if that is actually true.

 

Speaking for myself only, as a buyer if I am pestered for payment immediately after a purchase/eBay notification, I'll still make the payment but it will be via the slow train.

 

 

Paranoia strikes deep
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